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Take The 90 to The 405 to The 101 to The 2 with Jax Partlow
Hellooooo and welcome back to Cracked with Chevonne Ariss! Today’s guest is Jax Partlow. Jax Partlow is a glass artist based in Los Angeles. While formally trained in graphic design, Jax prefers the longevity and physical aspects that glasswork affords her, as well as a very tangible connection with her late father. It was only after she was left his tools that she gravitated toward the craft while living in Hungary. Thoughtful, romantic and functional, stained glass fulfills a creative desire for Jax as an artist, while meeting her designer side with its utilitarian appeal. She is most recognized for her Public Piece Project in which she installs her art in unlikely spaces. It’s my favorite. It’s so smart and cool and she’s my absolute favorite street artist.
Jax’s work has been featured in Stained Glass Magazine, The Corning Museum of Glass: New Glass Review 2022 and by her own accord in the streets of Los Angeles.
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Helen Frankenthaler
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Etel Adnan
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Quinn Gilmer
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Paul Lozano
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Peter Shire
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SPEAKER_02:It's going to be so hot in LA today, but I am in my head. I'm like, it's fall. We've made it. I know. You're in Austin, right? Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Nice.
SPEAKER_00:Austin. It's new. Like it yeah i think so um it's new right it's new i kind of feel like everything that i've done in austin so far has been like anywhere usa like i haven't done anything that's like very austin specific i haven't gone two-stepping yet i haven't seen any live music yet i haven't you know what i mean like things where you're like we're in texas
SPEAKER_02:okay i was like barton springs but I guess that could be kind of a thing anywhere.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Water. When I lived in Oregon, when we lived in Portland, there was so much cool outdoor swimming available there. But yeah, but I have been to Barton Springs actually.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. So you've checked at least like an Austin thing off, but yeah, I guess not a Texas culture. Yeah. Not there yet.
SPEAKER_00:But I'm just really, really happy to be back in a major city. I'm very happy. very, very thankful. I like to say that I don't necessarily need to go to Zara, but I like to know that there's one close by. It's very comforting for me. It's like a, like a safety thing, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, definitely. So I'm kind of that way with like good, good Japanese food in a theater that maybe doesn't have all of the major motion pictures, but maybe has like special things. That's what I look for. Yes. But, but i understand you we look for our comfort grounding points
SPEAKER_00:yes i'm also very happy that austin is like a food city because we spend all our money on food yep really do i relate deeply not at zara i do not spend all my money at zara like i said i just need to know it's there i mean
SPEAKER_02:it's a good good thing to have when you have somewhere to go or you need something i understand
SPEAKER_00:yeah Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I understand.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. You get it. So you're in LA. Are you, were you born and raised?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I'm from El Segundo. Do you know it? Yeah. So I grew up there. My dad is third generation from there. Okay. So my great grandparents moved there from Utah to start the Chevron oil refinery. Wow. Which is like, or just to work at it. I believe my great grandfather was an So that's I've been in El Segundo for a long time. It's but no one's there anymore now, which is kind of sad, but it's OK. What do you mean? Like my brother and sister don't live in El Segundo. My my mom doesn't live in El Segundo. So there's no family there anymore.
SPEAKER_00:Are they still in L.A.?
SPEAKER_02:My brother's in Redondo and my sister's up north in Redding, California. And then my mom's in Playa del Rey. So kind of close to El Segundo. I actually really like Playa del Rey. So I'm okay with it. It's close, but not in my hometown. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well... Yeah. You still get to see him as much as you need to, at least. Yes. I
SPEAKER_02:mean, I'm in East Hollywood, so I'm a little far. I'm actually going to see my mom today. And it's nice that I can go there. And it's kind of far away enough that I feel that I'm going somewhere different. And my mom doesn't like to go past the 405, so she doesn't come out here that often. I feel like that's a very West
SPEAKER_00:side, LA. It is. It's such a line of like delineation. And Playa del Rey is so different from what, from East Hollywood that you really are like going to a different city.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's very different. I love it though. I really like going over there and waking up by the beach. It's really nice, but I think I don't, where are you from?
SPEAKER_00:I'm originally from the Midwest, but I lived in LA for 20 years.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I remember that. but there's something about leaving where you're from that feels good. And I, or not, I don't know how to say that properly, but there's something about it that makes me feel like I'm doing something. I'm going somewhere. And sometimes when I'm on the West side, I feel like this a little too close for comfort
SPEAKER_01:and
SPEAKER_02:Los Angeles is an amazing city. So it's so big. You can feel like you're in a million places in the same place. So I feel, when I'm in East Hollywood or on the East side that I'm very separate from my childhood or that part of my life. And it, it's very nice for me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I know what you're saying. One year back home, at least for me, I could have never stayed where I grew up. I think I would have felt very stuck. And I, you know, recently we did, we, okay. So I was born, I lived in a small town, like especially through high school, like through those really formative years of like what I think of like school and stuff. You know what I Like being in my parents' house. And then I went off on my own and I moved to a major city, lived city life for a long time, had a baby, got married. And then recently we moved to Massachusetts and we moved to a small town. And I really had to have these like talks with myself because being in a small town again, it made me feel like very stuck. Like I hadn't made any progress. And like, I was, I don't know. I know what you're saying. Exactly. I didn't feel like I'd made any progress. I felt like it was like a backstep in a way
SPEAKER_02:yeah I do revert to my maybe teenage self a little bit when I'm back in El Segundo or back on the west side there's something that I'm like and I'm back
SPEAKER_00:yeah
SPEAKER_02:so it's nice to feel like a grown-up kind of not there I'm
SPEAKER_00:an independent lady over here I'm an adult yes yes by day you're like a superhero by By day, you're a graphic designer. By the evenings and weekends, you're a glass artist. Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. I feel really lucky to have that as my trade-off right now. Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Well, talking about this feeling, it came up twice this season so far in both Jacqueline from Assembly Glassworks episode, as well as Kelsey's from Soft Shapes. But sometimes you see someone's work that strikes a nerve in you where you love it so much, you actually feel angry. Your work makes me very angry. It makes me want to like grit my teeth. I'm evolved enough to see around it and celebrate what you've made and not to be too hard on myself. I didn't think of it first, but in the words of Jacqueline I really want to be your work when I grow up
SPEAKER_02:oh
SPEAKER_00:that's
SPEAKER_02:oh my gosh that is extremely flattering um I I'm even so flattered that you have me on this podcast because I feel sometimes like an imposter like many of us do um as artists um I'm very flattered very kind of speechless so it's um kind of hard for me to take compliments because some Mm-hmm. I hate to sound woo-woo, but sometimes just channeling something and you just get into that flow state and then it's there. Oh, you're talking about my work. Yes, I'm talking about your work now. Sorry. Oh, no, that's okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I feel that way too. And I think it's the same kind of thing that you just touched on where like I make something and I'm like, wow, like where did that come from? That's that shape is very special. You know, I think that too. I have that feeling about all my pieces and I think that's why it's like sometimes it's hard to sell them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I could not agree more. Yeah. I think it's interesting. You've had a lot of people that make money off of stained glass on here and I'm assuming you make money off of it. And I am not in that space really yet. I've made a little bit of money, but right now it's just... still in this space where it's i use the word hobby in the nicest way like in the most special like hug way i feel that the word hobby can be very um looked down upon with art i disagree i think it gives me fuel because it's something that's not the bread winner right now
SPEAKER_00:well it's also like it's not as precious in a way that there's not the pressure on it there's no correct There's not as much pressure on it. So you can really be free to actually channel something with it instead of feeling like, oh my God, I got to make a hundred Christmas trees or else.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I think what I was trying to say is that you've had people on that make money making this art and I'm not there yet. And so I do hold these pieces very tight. Like it's extremely hard for me to sell them, not just because people are shocked at prices of stained glass, but because I'm very attached to them.
SPEAKER_00:So how did you learn how to do stained glass?
SPEAKER_02:It's kind of... Okay, I'll backtrack a little bit. Like I said, I'm a graphic designer. And in school, I loved graphic design. It was absolutely my passion. I adored the whole academic thing with stained glass. I excelled at it. I loved it. And when I got my first corporate job, it was a shock for me that how quickly that love can be destroyed by other people. people and circumstances and the real world and work. And, you know, it's a commercial art and a lot of my love for it disappeared. And so I was thinking about what I could do that would be something on the side that I can get like my kicks out where no one can tell me what to do. And it doesn't have to be approved by 30 different people or criticized or anything like, so at first I thought I was going to do sign painting, which which is kind of off of graphic design. It's in the same field. And I made a couple signs and then I moved to Europe for a bit. After being in the office for a year and a half, I had just saved money. And I was like, I can't spend my 20s in an office. It's just not going to happen. No windows, no freedom. That working environment was specifically hard. It really turned me off. So I was like, I'm going to go to Europe and I'm going to spend a month in all these cities that i liked as a backpacker because i'd been before and um and then i'm gonna find this thing that i like very like yeah i have a question how did you fund this trip did you save money design money okay yeah i am i was a backpacker after college and i think i lived like a backpacker until about a year ago like i'm pretty tight and i'm really good at So that's how it happened. And I worked in college. I had internships. And then graphic design is you can make good money. I mean, not in your first year, but definitely you can make good money. And I moved in with my parents at some point because that's just the cheat. And I'm really lucky that they let me. So that's how I had the money. And I went to Europe. And I also, the first month I stayed with family, my stepdad's from Austria. So I stayed in Vienna for free. And then the next month was Budapest. And it's pretty affordable as an American to live there. Not for Hungarians, but for American it is. And so I was there for one month. And then it turned into two months. And I was at a Turkish bathhouse in Budapest. And I was still kind of thinking, I was like, oh, I'm going to do sign painting or I'm painting now. Or I was just exploring and having fun and having free time and having the best time. And I was in this Turkish bathhouse and they had a stained glass dome ceiling. And I was looking at it and I was like, oh my gosh, of course, that's what I'm going to do. And then I realized it had kind of been sitting in the back of my mind for a long time because when I was a kid, my dad did it as an art therapist. therapy. as a hobby art therapy thing for him. And he actually passed away 11 years ago. So when I was 19 and I remember we were going through his stuff and my sister was like, they're stained glass supplies. Like, do you want them? And I was like, yeah, maybe I'll do it one day. And so it just kind of sat there from like 19 to 26 in the background. And I was like, oh, of course I'll do that. And my dad did copper foil and I don't, I do leaded because that's just the class I found in Budapest was a leaded glass class. So yeah, I learned there from a woman on the last stop of one of the metros, and she did not speak English. And it was a challenge, but really fun. And I convinced her to let me come back a couple more times. And that's kind of where it started. I kept traveling for a while and I didn't get a studio practice going until December, 2018. So a couple of years after I took the class. You had a post
SPEAKER_00:about your dad. Is it okay with you if I read it? Absolutely. Absolutely. My dad would have turned 64 this week. When he died, he left behind a lot of ephemera and very little information. If you lose a parent when you're young, you often find yourself searching to connect with them in anything and in any way you can. I was lucky enough to get all of his stained glass to Yeah. It's a photo of your father and never has there been a more 80s photo of somebody's dad.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He's got his wetsuit half down, a trucker hat, and a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. And I was really looking at the photo and I was like, how is that even so 80s the way that his cigarette is hanging out of his mouth? Do you know what I mean? For real. Tell me more about when he died, he left behind a lot of ephemera.
SPEAKER_02:My dad was a collector. This guy had everything. I have an entire closet full of like hundreds of records. He was just, I mean, a very all-American man, a very maybe consumerist man, just loved treasures. He always talked about treasures and things and just collected a lot. So when he died, he had a lot of stuff to go through. And I wear a lot of his clothes. He left behind a lot of clothes from the 70s and 80s and obviously his stained glass tools. Almost all the tools I use in my studio were his. Which is, I mean, they are my most precious belonging now. And they work because they're stained glass tools. Like, you know, they're pretty durable. Except for my grinder. I have a very old grinder from him that I've replaced because it's just not the vibe. It's a really difficult one. He, yeah, he's, it's, when you, I think I say it pretty, pretty precisely. Precisely. When you lose a parent... Have you lost a parent? No? Okay. It's okay. I mean, it's a part of life. I'm like, I'm sorry. You know what's funny? My mom... Well, not funny. This is going to sound very morbid. But my mom couldn't relate to me about it until really recently. She had her parents until they were in their 90s. And... This is the grief thing and the grief and death and parents dying. It's a really hard topic. And I find that it's extremely hard to talk about with my friends who can't relate. But I also attract people who have also had a parent die. I feel like we're in this small, strange club of people who have felt the same soul level sadness and grief.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And it's kind of beautiful and kind of sad. But like I said, I do things in memory of him every day. I listen to his music. I wear his clothes. I'm half of him. I'm very much like him. I look like him. And I get to make stained glass, even though it's so completely different from what he made. And it's sad because I don't have very many memories as a kid of him making stuff, just them appearing. I have a really cool sunflower clock that's in my living room and little angels. He made very like standard things. I have all the patterns and cartoons from stuff he got on the internet or through magazines. I actually don't know how he got them. And it's funny too, because I don't know if he'd even like my work, which is like, he wasn't really like into abstract stuff. And it would be funny to see what he thought about it. Does your mom talk about him doing it? She doesn't really like have... She just knew we had a little back house and he would go out there and make stuff. Yeah. She... Yeah, not really. My mom sought an artist or she doesn't think she is. I think everyone has it in them. Just who flexes in and who doesn't or it's like being gay.
SPEAKER_00:We're all a little, we're all like a little bit. I could not agree more. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02:That's so funny. Yes, exactly. We're all. Yep. You got it. Um, My mom doesn't have very many opinions about this craft or this world. She doesn't get it most of the time, but I feel like that's pretty standard for parents. And I have other adults that are in my life that are like, that's cool. I love that. What about your siblings?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So it's funny because my mom and my dad are a nurse. My mom was a nurse. My dad was a firefighter. My sister is a nurse. My brother is a firefighter. Wow. crafts they're into similar things and obviously they have the same career path it's really interesting that is really interesting but that's pretty common to see your parents do something and want to do it and model after them and especially in firefighting it has like the highest nepotism rate really your field yeah I didn't know that
SPEAKER_00:it's super common that's so interesting because I feel like It's so dangerous. It's so dangerous. And you have to be really strong to do it. And surprise, they're not all strong.
SPEAKER_02:all fit and that's a hot take okay all right
SPEAKER_00:intended yes okay so you have this project it's called the hashtag public peace project which congratulations on getting that hashtag too because I feel like that's kind of um general and you got it so nice work I mean for now for now exactly oh my gosh I have a story about that I have a hashtag for my daughter that we've been using since she was born and somebody else started using it. And there was already a lot of foot. This is a left turn. I'm just going to do like a little aside, but her hashtag was her first and middle and last name. And somebody started using it. And I was like, I was like early in motherhood to where I'm like, this is all I have. Like, please don't take this from me as Instagrams of my baby. So I reached out to this person and they messaged me back and were like, it's not that deep. Get over it kind of was the message. And so then my husband even like commented and messaged and was like, kill him with kindness. Like, you know, anyway, that totally happened. And they started using a different hashtag. But there's still like three photos that they did not take.
SPEAKER_02:Of who? Of another kid? Of another baby. Oh, with the same name as your daughter? So
SPEAKER_00:wait, let me retract. Our hashtag is her first and middle name. And that's what they were doing. It wasn't the last name. I'm sorry I said that, but it's not. It's just her first and middle name, which is pretty unique. It's Sequoia Jean. I know. I don't
SPEAKER_02:know anyone named that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I do. I'm not going to say her last name, but she's like four now. Where
SPEAKER_02:does
SPEAKER_00:she
SPEAKER_02:live? Let's find
SPEAKER_00:her. Please just keep it moving because there's plenty of PG episodes on cracked as well. You know, it's not every episodes. We're never going to get a unanimous vote. No, never. Not in this community. Not in this world. No, never. Okay. So your public piece project, let's talk about you, not about my daughter. It's an incredible public art idea. That's what makes me so angry is I'm like, why did I not do this? It's so good. Let's see. You said public piece project was an idea conceived when I was living in Budapest in 2016. Since then, it has taken many shapes and meanings. The first piece was created in summer of 2019 and the most recent created in spring of 2021. I'm assuming when Yeah, I am
SPEAKER_02:in the process of updating my website, which is a real treat. I'm sure you relate. Actually, the most recent public piece was put up yesterday. Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah, I it's a spot I've been thinking about for a while, and it just finally came together. So the public piece idea came in Boone. Budapest, there's a lot of cracked windows in the neighborhood that I was living in. And I thought, how cool would it be to patch it up? I never remember the name of that style. I believe it's Japanese art when something breaks and they put it together with gold. Is it wabi-sabi? I
SPEAKER_00:think so. That makes sense. I feel like I just had this discussion with someone and I said it was wabi-sabi and they said it was something else. You know what? I'm going to look it up. Keep talking.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. So that idea of fixing things and making things different or upgrading or, I don't know, finding the beautiful things in the broken things was the original idea behind it. And it would have taken if I did with copper foil, I needed to know copper foil to do something like that. But of course, I didn't even know that there was two different kinds of stained glass at that point. When I moved back to Los Angeles in 2018, in 2019, I was on the freeway And I was like, I don't know. It just kind of came back. And I was on the 101 freeway headed towards downtown from East Hollywood. And I was like, what if I just put something up there in the overpass? And it just kind of... kept going from there because every piece that I make that's a public piece it's very obvious for me where it's going to go and it just like comes to me like I'm not there's a couple that I've like gone out and searched like where is it going to be because I want to do one here especially in Mexico City like I had I have one there and it took thinking more because I don't live there but they've come very naturally and it's kind of been it has so many meanings to me and it's very hard to like specifically say one thing because it's about contrast it's about um it's about like celebrating little like minute things it's about um i guess actually contrast would be the best way to describe it because it's in an unexpected place i really wouldn't put it in a super nice neighborhood or in an obvious place those aren't where it's gonna go um I look for something dynamic and something that is contrasting for the space. It's just kind of kept going. I say that I want to make a billboard one day. That's the end for me. Not the end, but that's where I see it going. Maybe not a giant one because that's literally terrifying, but something doable. How many have you made? I want to say 11. I think this last one is the 11th one.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Cause they're numbered, but there's some numbered pieces that are not public pieces, but that are also part of the, like a series.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. So how I structure my work is, or how I number them as I make them because they're abstract and I don't want to, I don't want to, put any ideas in people's heads about what the piece is. I want them to come to it themselves. That's what I love about abstract work is that, especially if I don't know the name of the piece, that I can feel what it is or intuit what I think it is or project myself onto what it is. That's what I love about abstract work. And I hope that people feel that way when they look at stuff, though people always tell me what they think they see in it and it makes me laugh and especially when they're it's inappropriate things i'm like oh i didn't even see that oh dang okay and then as far as the public piece i only know that there's 11 because i have like an excel sheet that tells me because i have an archive i think just they're they're not numbered
SPEAKER_00:they are but they're not but they are they
SPEAKER_02:are but they're not yes um I do number separate. I don't know why my brain is like this. Sometimes I think it's the designer thing. I think it's the graphic design thing. But I number my mirrors that I do. They're called self-portraits and I number them separately. So it's like glass 37 and it's also self-portrait six or something like that.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. That makes
SPEAKER_00:sense. I
SPEAKER_02:don't know.
SPEAKER_00:I hope I'm not losing anyone. No, I'm here. I'm with you. Great. Okay, real quick. Wabi Sabi is in traditional Japanese aesthetics. Wabi Sabi is a worldview centered on the acceptance of transience and imperfection. The aesthetic is sometimes described as one of appreciating beauty that is imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete in nature. Okay, so then... Kintsugi, golden joinery, also known as Kintsugi, wait, Kintsukuroi. I don't know how to say that. Golden repair is the Japanese art of repairing broken pottery by mending the areas of breakage with lacquer, dusted, or mixed with powdered gold, silver, or platinum. A method similar to the make technique. So they're different.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Okay. For the future. I will, I will definitely note that, but I already could. Sugi can, can Suki.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. I N T S U G I.
SPEAKER_02:I will note that for the future if I remember it. Yes. Everybody, let's say
SPEAKER_00:it together. Kintsugi. Kintsugi. Okay. Okay. So your public pieces, there's 11 of them. And a lot of them, like the one you were just talking about on the 101 freeway, like that's, I mean, how did you do, did you just like bring a ladder and like pull your car over, put your flashers on? How did you, how did you get up there? And also not the one on the overpass. I'm talking about the one that's that are.
SPEAKER_02:I know.
UNKNOWN:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Has anyone ever stopped you?
SPEAKER_02:Actually, yes, but not for the freeway one. Um, the freeway one, I will say I had help my amazing neighbor, Trevor. He's kind of my co-conspirator and he, I don't think has fear. So he gone on a very tall ladder for me and I love him. He
SPEAKER_00:loves you
SPEAKER_02:too. I hate to break it to you if he didn't know that already, but he like, he loves you. We're, we're, um, When we get together, it's like two people with ADHD just like ideas at each other. He's an amazing sounding board. And I've been alone in my studio for a long time. So it's been really nice to have someone that I can be like, I'm thinking about this. And he's like, yes, this is how you do it. So that's been really helpful. So that's how that happened. And yes, there is a little pull out. I'm afraid to say because I don't want anyone to take it down. But there's a little area that you can pull out. pull over with your car. And I, and that came to me because it's an area of the freeway. That's very slow. I don't know if you're familiar with that area.
SPEAKER_00:I can tell where it is because on the video, at the end of the video, there's a flash of an apartment building. Yes. So I know exactly where it is. Is it the Da Vinci or it's the one that burned down? Yes. Yes. I was just going to say that the one that burned down. And then I was just in LA like a couple of weeks ago. And I was like, I don't, I didn't know that they fixed that. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's some folklore. That's some conspiracy
SPEAKER_00:theory. I heard that, too, that it was an insurance scam. Mm-hmm. Right? I heard that also. Yes. And that it was the mob. Well, I didn't hear that,
SPEAKER_02:but I will tell people that. A little extra sprinkle on that rumor.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But I'm glad you know where it is. And it kind of feels like you're on a ride at Disneyland in that area. It kind of dips down and comes up. Mm-hmm. And there's always traffic there. I mean, not when we installed it, luckily, but always traffic right in that zone. So I hope people see it. I do get tagged in it randomly or sent pictures that people take of it that I don't know, which is always cool. I love that.
UNKNOWN:Cool.
SPEAKER_02:when did you put it up was it like late it was at 4 a.m that's kind of my sweet spot of time of no police and no problems but i have a piece that's on the corner of edgemont and fountain that it was actually the second public piece i did it was glass 20 i believe and now it's glass i don't know what number it is probably 55 um i redid this piece because it was falling apart um the structure of this light fixture that it was in, it was in a crosswalk. sign was pulling apart. And so it was pulling apart the piece. And so I had to take it down. But when I was replacing it with something new, East Hollywood is famously where the Scientology Center is. And while they are the most fascinating neighbors, they are very, I'm afraid to say anything. So there's a lot of security cameras everywhere in this neighborhood because of them. And I was minding my own business and putting up this piece at 4am and the security from Scientology came over and was like, what are you doing? And I was like, don't worry about it, bud. Like this isn't, you don't have to worry about this. And he was like, oh, blah, blah, blah. And then I would, he just kept saying stuff to me that I was like, okay, here's the thing. I live in the neighborhood. I make public art for the neighborhood. This is what I'm doing. And I showed him the old picture of the old one. And he was like, oh, that's so cool. You we love public artists. Like we're actually thinking about doing something over in one of our buildings. Like, would that be interesting to you? And I was like, no, it wouldn't.
SPEAKER_00:No, you're like, keep your pamphlet. I don't want it. Weird little cadet. I'm afraid they're listening right now. So they're yeah, but they have much bigger fish to fry. Yeah. I know that corner Edgemont and fountain. Cause I used to always eat a square one, which is like, that was one of my favorite. I know it's so cool. Okay. So it's still there.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, it's still there. They will be on my guide to LA because I really love square one. They have amazing portion sizes, which is very important for me in this day and age. I agree. Especially because that blocks becoming kind of bougie and different. They're like bestia opened up a restaurant there and there's found oyster, which is an amazing restaurant. Truly. It's just, you know, the cost of LA eating out in LA is very intense. So. I like square one because they've been there and they're legit and they have great tacos and I can talk about food. So
SPEAKER_00:we should probably change. Also, my daughter was born like right there because just a couple blocks North is the hospital. Yes. Anyway, did you live in LA? So yeah, When I first moved to LA, I lived mid Wilshire and then I moved to the Hollywood Hills and then I moved to Echo Park. I lived in the same apartment in Echo Park for 11 years. Wow. And then I moved to Highland Park and then I moved to Eagle Rock. And then I moved to Portland, Oregon.
SPEAKER_02:Why did you leave? I love asking people this. I didn't
SPEAKER_00:leave mad. My... It's one of those things where you don't want to like offend
SPEAKER_02:anybody. Like, you know, I'm will not be offended. Trust me. I've been trying to leave this place for 12 years.
SPEAKER_00:Well, we had just had a baby and my husband was a television editor and we were just on that like wheel of we're working so hard and our quality of life. We felt like it could just be it could be better. Also, just Having a kid, I don't know. I know people who have raised children in Los Angeles so successfully, but it's more of an uphill battle than it already is because getting around is so hard. My friends with kids, they were like, well, then I have an hour commute to pick them up and then they have swimming. So then that's 45 minutes. And then I have to wait for two hours and then I have to come home because otherwise I'll hit that traffic. And so there was like this added, I don't know. It just seemed like it was hard. Also, you can't really send your kids to public schools. So you have to go. the crime was way less the um cost of living was way less um the air quality was much better it was still a major city still had zara yes not sponsored yes but like there's a lot of um more i don't know it just felt like it was like a kinder gentler place to go than la yeah I can see
SPEAKER_02:that 100%. I
SPEAKER_00:agree.
SPEAKER_02:Hollywood and in Echo Park and Silver Lake because of the beauty standard over here. But I agree. The way that we look has... I hate how important it is in the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's a lot of pressure, especially for a little kid. Oh,
SPEAKER_02:absolutely. I got a little taste of Hollywood mom life when I was house-sitting in my early 20s in Hollywood, and taking care of a four-year-old that goes to private school. It was just a lot. And I was like, this young? That's so crazy. But it's the culture of the parents, too. This is kind of like a thing to say.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, just the whole conversation is like, I don't want to offend anybody because obviously, again, I have so many friends who are those people and they're doing it and they're killing it. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:I feel really lucky that I was protected in El Segundo from a lot of that. I didn't even realize I lived in LA until I was 16, truly. It's different now in El Segundo, but growing up there, it felt very much like the 1950s. Things closed really early. Everyone left their doors unlocked. I walked to school, all of the schools, from elementary school, middle school, high school, I walked to school. It's very close and everyone knows everything, which is also very fun. But I was an exchange student in high school. I went to England. And when I came back, I was like, big city girl, like, let's go on the Metro, making fake IDs, going out like LA girl. And that's when I realized. And that's when I think like that culture started coming in. But I still feel like I was protected in a lot of ways because of where I was in the culture. I hate to say it, but I worked at American Apparel and I was very much in that kind of little hipster scene. And I feel like the beauty standard of that was very natural and I could kind of be my gross teenage self in neon clothing and be fine.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Yeah, I totally get it. It's also like, there's so many like dangers that are so close in proximity. Like if your child loses their way in Portland, wait, that's not, that's not a good example because Portland has a drug problem and a homeless problem and a whole other, you know, they have issues too.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But I felt like in LA it's, Like you would just, everything was just so out in the open in terms of the valley is right there, which is like, you know, all the, where all the porn is being made and prostitution. Like, I feel like I would see prostitutes every time I went out on like a Friday or Saturday night, you know, just like, like the central casting version of like what a prostitute is supposed to look like. And yeah, I just think there's such a dark underbelly there where if you lose your way and if you get mixed up with the wrong people, it can go left real quick.
SPEAKER_02:Real hard. A hundred percent agree. I, um, I feel really lucky that my mom trusted me and I kind of always had this MO in my head growing up here and growing up in general. It's like, I always, I will do bad things. Like, In a kind way, I say that. But I will always make good decisions about them. So yeah, I'll go to a house in South Central for USC, a party. But if I'm not feeling it, I'm going to call my mom and she will pick me up or I will find a way to get out of there. And that was kind of always how I maneuvered through living here because I've seen... And also, I feel like I'm so oblivious to things. In my early 20s, I was around people who did hard drug. And I had no idea, not a clue, not a clue. And I feel really lucky because I was just happy and fine. And these people were really suffering. Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So there's many ways that you can do it. I think I feel really lucky that I had good parenting on my side.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But as far as raising kids here, uphill battle, unless you're extremely wealthy, it is
SPEAKER_00:very difficult. And then that has its downside too, because to be honest with you, the richest kids that I know are always the saddest kids.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. I've seen them. Yeah. I've seen them. And like that kind of wealth makes me really uncomfortable and it has for a long time.
SPEAKER_00:And that's usually where the kids are doing the most drugs because they can afford all of the designer drugs.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. I've seen it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have too. I totally have. And yeah, Yeah. I was kind of a troublemaker. I never really got into trouble. Same thing that you were kind of talking about where like I was around it, but I always knew I was going to like sail through it. I always kind of knew that I, I don't know. I think back to like situations I was in and I was like, wow, you were really so confident. You really were rolling through that. Like thinking that kind of thing is never going to happen to me. I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm going to walk. I'm going to walk four blocks. It's four o'clock in the morning in Echo Park. And you know, the air is Echo Park isn't what it is now and I'll be fine. And I was never scared. I was never scared.
SPEAKER_02:I think it's, you know, I always talk about like my spidey senses because I've traveled a lot alone and I've been in a lot of places alone, walking home alone. And I really, like LA is the only place that I've run from my car to my house or to wherever I'm going. In Budapest, like I felt pretty safe and I had things happen to me, not like crazy things, but they happen in daylight, like on public transit. And I think that's a part of being in a city with public transit or when you're on the streets like we're not really on the streets here and I just like I clue into my spidey senses if something's like feeling really off I make a move on it I mean I just spent two and a half months in Mexico City and I felt fine for almost the entire time there's only like two nights where I was like something's up like I can feel it and I'm just gonna get in an uber and go away from here
SPEAKER_00:yeah that's good that's good you're trusting your intuition and also that you just have like situational awareness. Yes. You know, there was no guarantee I was going to have a child that had either one of those things.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I was like, let's give her a fighting chance if she's a ding dong.
SPEAKER_02:Also, just like there's something nice about growing up. You know what's hard about LA too is that the industry is fame and movies. And I really enjoy being in places where that's not the main thing. Because those people get huge advantages living here. I mean, I don't work in that realm, but what I do touches it. There's nothing you can really do that doesn't touch that space.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And even the thought that like, oh, maybe if this one celebrity bought a piece of my art that it could like that thinking is so feels like so L.A. And I do not like that feeling.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's true. I was right in the middle of all of that because I did hair and makeup. So just like the vanity of the city, I felt like I was just like and I was feeding off of it. That's how I paid my bills. So I was like part of like the predatory energy around it, you know, where I was just like. Yeah. You know, I don't know. It's just, I just, I don't know. I was just like, let's just go. We can always go back. That was the thing too, is that we were thinking about it and we were like, you know, if it doesn't work out, nothing's holding us back from just coming back.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Everything's temporary is a rule that I like to stick with, except for kids. Kids aren't temporary. But other than that, everything is temporary.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's kind of how I've been able to live my life. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I think there was a little bit of ignorance that I had leaving LA about how quickly or how easily those things would happen. And so I have struggles with that for sure, where I have start over fatigue. When we left LA and we moved to Portland, I was really motivated to like... What's going on? What are the events? I was always like taking my daughter to storybook readings and a thing or like a train thing, or I was always like out trying to find events and was really motivated to meet people too. Like we went out a lot. I just like really was doing it. I was meeting a lot of people. I was great. And yeah, And then when we moved to Massachusetts, I made a friend there who had just moved there from Long Beach. And I was watching her do the same thing that I did when I moved to Portland of like being like really motivated all the time to like go check out everything that was going on. And I had like lost a little bit of that spark. Like I just didn't feel like as motivated as I saw her being. And I was like, well, that's interesting. And now that we're in Austin, I feel like what's the point, which is really sad. I'm just like tired. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:I know that feeling very, very well. And it's actually probably how I feel about being in LA because somehow I can make friends everywhere very easily. I think I just don't put the effort in here as much because I'm from here. So it has this other feeling. But I just was in Mexico City for two and a half months and I made friends so easy, so fun, really nice people. And I lived in Auckland for a while. I I had great friends there, like found people very quickly. I also, I lived in Australia, found friends super quick. I think too, because I'm a novelty there or you're when you're the foreign person, you're a novelty. It kind of gives you a cheat code. Yeah. And Budapest, the first, literally the first person I met became my best friend and introduced me to all of their friends.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's nice.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it was delightful. And he's still a very dear friend. I love him so much. I feel really, really grateful for that. All of it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's a great experience. You're so lucky to have traveled so much. I did too. I traveled a lot. I traveled around Europe for not as long as you did, but I did go to Europe for a month by myself in 2005 and traveled around. And it was one of the most valuable experiences of my life.
SPEAKER_02:Definitely. I think it... For me, it's the backbone of everything. All the color palettes, all the movement, all the art, everything came from the experiences, the people, the things that I saw. I took a lot of photographs when I was traveling, film photographs. And if you put them next to my art that I make now, it's creepily similar. The colors or just the composition, if you can see things abstractly, it's really similar. And it makes me like, oh, okay, that was for something. Yeah. Just like... For fun.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Or spending all your money on getting film developed.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. Well, in Hungary, it was very cheap. So I'm
SPEAKER_00:so lucky. Yeah. So when you're installing these pieces, it looks like you're using like metal zip ties
SPEAKER_02:almost. Is that what you're using? So now I am. That's a new thing. I never know the name of them. They're the things that you use in plumbing to connect pipes.
UNKNOWN:Oh,
SPEAKER_00:There's
SPEAKER_02:like 15 different names for it. And then also asking for it in Spanish has been fun because I use them now. I didn't use them on the last piece that I just put up. But before that, I was just using zip ties and liquid nails, which is so hard to take down. And I'm so glad that I'm done with that. Yeah. But it's effective. too if it's Like, how
SPEAKER_00:did they do it? I love it. It's fun. Well, it's also like, but with public art, with graffiti or any other, you know, like more like street art, you know, it's all mediums that we've seen. I mean, even we've seen tile and that's not even like a big deal anymore to see people making things with tile. Yeah. Much less like paint or anything else. And so a stained glass is so cool. It's so cool to see something that's stained glass because that's like, so there's such a history to it and to bring it into such a modern, Form format. It's just, it's amazing. I hate you.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. Um, that one was like a first kind of, I was amazed that it lasted that long to be fair, two months at foot level on an area. That's not like people hang out up there and eat food and make out. I think that's what I've seen when I've been scoping it out. So I was not surprised that someone broke it. Um, I would check on it and yeah, someone definitely kicked it and then tried to rip it off like precisely that. And I actually have it now because I I went and removed it. I just have the skeleton of it. And I love it. Even though there's like three pieces left, there's something very nice about it. The first mirror I made also got vandalized. It got M13 carved onto it. Oh, okay. The most dangerous gang in LA. Okay. And some other writing on it. I would clean it up because I lived so close to it, but the engraving stayed. And now I have it because someone punched it and I was just like, I should take it down. Another mirror got smashed. I mean, they last minimally two months, which is cool. There's a piece that it's glass 30. I made it like the first week of quarantine because I thought quarantine was only going to be two weeks and it's on my commute to work, this piece. And so I never really check on it. So I'm not sure when it got smashed, but the bottom is just smashed. Like someone just went up and tapped it. That's it. Yeah. People do vandalize. them or try and break them but I really don't blame them I kind of get it I'm looking at you like you're crazy I know I'm crazy and maybe I just say this to like protect myself but I also feel like it's like smashing a leaf or something I don't know as soon as you put it out there it's what it is and I don't I think it's like a cultural thing too. I'm not sure because I've seen people smash windows in Los Angeles for no reason, not even to burglar somebody. It's just the streets are the Wild West. Whatever's going to happen is going to happen. Yeah, just... out in these streets better to just not have them at eye level that's kind of I'm moving away from that just so that they can last longer but also the I have another public piece that I was working on in Mexico I just couldn't get it to the spot that I wanted it and it was at foot level and I was like this will get actually I think it would have gotten stolen before it got broken but I don't know. It's a part of it. The freeway one would be annoying if it broke just because getting it down would be so annoying.
SPEAKER_00:So you're really good about either replacing it or cleaning it up. So you never leave the remnants.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I left the first one for two years. I only took it down recently. But I would like to think that I clean up the mess because sometimes there is mess. But luckily, it's just sometimes a little bit of
SPEAKER_00:clash Yeah. How many mirror pieces are there? And then how many glass pieces are there?
SPEAKER_02:There are in total or just for the public one? For the public. There's been two mirrors and the third mirror would have been in Mexico City, but I think that will happen in January. And then colored, I guess that would make... Eight. I think that's the right math. Yeah. The last one I just did is all colored glass, all yellow. I want to show you it like a sneak peek. Can I see it? Do you have it? Yeah, I have a picture of it. It's not the final picture. I'm going to go back later during sunset. It's in my mom's neighborhood. So it's in Playa del Rey. And it kind of looks photoshopped. Oh, it does look photoshopped. How big is that? It's 14 and a half by 28 and a half. Inches. Inches. I mean, obviously inches. Immediately after I said that, I was like, yes, inches. So it's in a protected wetland. And there was just a street sign just there. And I was like, that'd be so cool if I just put a piece of stained glass on top of that. Oh, so it's on top. The glass is on top. Basically, I bought. Here's a cheat. I bought the street sign holders. So you think about like our street signs, they fit into these metal brackets at the bottom. And if you buy the wide one, it is exactly the width of a stained glass piece.
SPEAKER_00:Where do you buy that
SPEAKER_02:online? Unlike Amazon?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, on like streetsigns.org or something. Wow. Okay. I feel like I'm revealing too much.
SPEAKER_00:If you want me to, I'll cut that out. If you want, it's up to you. But... The only people that really listen to this podcast are stained glass artists. And I feel like you kind of have that corner of the market corner. You'd be surprised, but I'm not going to... That's
SPEAKER_02:true. That's true. People... That's true. People are going to copy. That's just... The nature of it, like even in the beginning, my first couple pieces, I mimicked like other artists, not stained glass artists, but abstract artists, because that's kind of you think about musicians, like their first intro is playing music they like, and then it kind of transforms into something else. And I get that. And if someone needs to mimic my work as their starting off point, okay, I can't stop them. That's a part of it. Because I've seen a couple things I've called out one other artist. I feel bad. I called out one artist being like, that looks... I thought it was my work. I straight up thought it was my work. It looked so different from their work. And I was like, this is a bummer because actually your work's amazing. And it'd be cool if you just did your thing. And I did my thing. It's a part of it. You have a very good attitude about all of it. It takes... I don't think I would have been cool with it five years ago. I think just... being a little bit older
SPEAKER_00:yeah yeah totally um okay so there's a piece called last 46 uh again but with perfect timing this is what the caption says on instagram when i had originally thought of this piece it was winter solstice 2020 making it in march of this year meant waiting nine months for the sun to be at the right point of the sky again to cast onto the wall in the same way this is a gentle reminder that good things take time thoughtfulness is key And if not this year, maybe next. Happy New Year. Such a sweet post. Such a cool piece. It's like a time-lapse video. The sun is shining through your piece onto this white wall that's behind it. And it's a time-lapse. I don't know how long it's for, but You can see it moving across the white wall. It's gorgeous. But what really got me was somebody commented and said, somebody commented and said, so neat. I'd love to see more public displays of glass out in the wild. Was it difficult to get permission to do the installation? And I just wrote down in my notes, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, because there's no way the city of Los Angeles is giving you a permit to put any of these up.
SPEAKER_02:Ask for permission or ask for forgiveness. Forgiveness, yes. Not for permission. But that specific piece... I actually know who has... Well, I don't know them, but a friend of a friend knows who's renting that spot. But I had been thinking about that spot for over a year before she had even rented it. It was an abandoned flower shop for months and months and months and months because I used to live even closer to there. And I thought about just doing it. And then I saw who had been renting it. And I was like, oh, we have a mutual friend. And then I just got in contact with the person who's renting it as their office space. And they were like, whatever. Like, did not care at all. But didn't you hang it onto the, like, street pole? It's in a sign with screws and... I don't know how to describe. So it's part of the building. It's not part of the street sign. That
SPEAKER_00:one specifically is a part of a building. Okay. Well, scratch everything I just said. So maybe you actually did get permission.
SPEAKER_02:That one I did, but I wouldn't have if I didn't know them. Right. But the most time I don't ask for permission because if it gets taken down, it gets taken down.
SPEAKER_00:You really do have to have a feeling of impermanence and just going with the flow when you put your work out on the street. like that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. I try not to think about how much it costs. It's worth it. It's so worth it. I think also, you know, stained glass is not a cheap hobby or profession or, you know, investment, but it's my thing. It's the thing that makes me happy when I go to bed at night and keeps me interested in the days and keeps me involved with my real job because I know that I'll be able to go do whatever I want after. And for me, that investment and that money is worth it in every way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So I don't even really think about it. When
SPEAKER_00:people comment and ask if you sell your work, I don't see you commenting back. Do you sell your work? I do not. Kind of. Kind of. Well, I did see three residential pieces. One was in Pasadena. It was a door, a door window. There was a couple small windows in Echo Park and one window in Highland Park. Yes. Are those your only
SPEAKER_02:residential pieces? And then I have one more in Mid-City, but it was a house that was under construction for a long time. And the owner has only sent me a couple picks of her with it. That was my first one. And she found me through a mutual friend. Okay. All of them have been found through mutual friends or our friends. So yeah, that's it so far, but that's what I would like to do more of. I love that process. It's very fun for me.
SPEAKER_00:So you haven't made any pieces, put them on chains and then... sold them that way no
SPEAKER_02:no oh no that's not true i've sold those are like built for the actual space i've sold my like freestanding pieces um i've sold three three of them but it's usually the smaller ones because people again do not realize that these things cost money right so
SPEAKER_00:right
SPEAKER_02:so
SPEAKER_00:Um, what is, I don't know what the answer to this is. So this could be a hard left, but what's the pork love?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, supper club. Oh, wait. No, no, that's... Oh, I'm so glad you brought this up. It's pronounced supper club. It's a working name right now, I guess, because this keeps happening. It is a kind of supper club that I'm experimenting with because I love cooking. I love eating. It's been a thing. The cooking thing has taken off for me during quarantine. I was like, okay, no more Trader Joe's. I'm going to learn how to make everything that I like. So I've been pretty good about learning how to cook and I'm obsessed with chefs. I've been my whole life absolutely obsessed with... They're my rock stars. Truly, I can name many chefs and their personal histories. And so my dream with stained glass one day is to partner with a restaurant and do an entirely stained glass restaurant. That's just like, would be so fun for me. And maybe make the menus too, because I'm a graphic designer, like just have a hand in all of it, except for probably the food making. So I was like, why don't I just make a little pop-up restaurant in my house? Why not? I can do it. I've had some practice before being a waitress. And also last year in Mexico, I was cooking for people or helping with that. And I saw that it was doable. So actually at the end of September, I did like a trial run with a friend who's Hungarian because the concept is that it's a four-course Hungarian meal. I lived in Hungary for a while, so I'm very well-versed with the food because I was absolutely obsessed with it. And I learned how to make things when I was living there and in my own kitchen now. So I did a four-course meal in my bedroom and I put some of my art in the room. And that's Supper Club. And I'm hoping to try it again next month. It's very nerve-wracking doing something new that's really out of your comfort zone. And also like cooking for people so intimate. So I think it went well and I'd like to do it more. And I'd like to like completely pimp out the room with all stained glass, like lamps and every window and mirrors and really go big with it. So
SPEAKER_00:you... Did you move your bed out and all your furniture? And then did you put how many tables in?
SPEAKER_02:So my bed fits perfectly in my closet, which is crazy, truly crazy. And then I just moved my desk into there. I don't have a lot of furniture. I'm pretty minimal as a person and your furniture owner. It was actually really easy. It only took me 25 minutes to move everything.
SPEAKER_00:And so you put your desk as the table they ate at?
SPEAKER_02:And
SPEAKER_00:how many people came?
SPEAKER_02:It was four. So I'm going to do four, maybe five because there's quite a bit of food to eat.
SPEAKER_00:And did you sell these tickets or were
SPEAKER_02:they friends? So they left me a tip because I wanted to see if I could do it for real. So I didn't want to be like, you have to pay me so that I can see if I can do this. I just did it. But yeah, I will be asking for money for this.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's a lot
SPEAKER_02:of work. But how did you know them? I am pretty obsessed with them. You're a, you're a Buddha file. Buddha file. Yeah. Well, actually I'd be a Pesh file because I didn't ever live in the Buddha part of the city. Okay. Yeah. Yes. I love it there. I can't wait to go back. It's been a while.
SPEAKER_00:That's such a cool idea. Yeah. In your bedroom.
SPEAKER_02:The thing is, it doesn't really feel like it because I live in a bungalow and when you walk in, like they had never been to my house, they had no idea that that was my bedroom. bedroom. Oh, really? Okay. Because there's a bathroom connected to it. And when you walk in, you just see the living room and you see a kitchen and you don't know that it can potentially continue on, but it doesn't because it's 20 feet by 20 feet. It's small. Oh, that's amazing.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Next time I come to LA. Yeah. I'll buy a ticket. Yeah. Well, totally. Oh my gosh. We'll totally buy tickets and give you all the money. Give you all our money. I want to do that. Okay. Let's see here. So I also... wrote down you had a post about this artist named larry bell i love him well i do too i do too now i didn't know who he was before but i kind of went down the rabbit hole with him first of all did you know that he was on the cover of the beatles album sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band did you know that he was one of the faces no yeah i'm gonna have to pull that album out today and look yes so he was already like a cult figure because he was on the album the photo that Jax posted, it was like a picture of his work, a picture of him and his work. And then the last slide is this like insane video of him just like breaking glass awkwardly with music playing. Yes. And I was like, that's what got me. That's where I was like, who is this guy?
SPEAKER_02:That was a deep Vimeo find. I was also in a Larry Bell hole and I found that. It's this video his son made. That's how deep I went. Okay. This guy is so interesting and his interviews are great. I think he lives in Venice and sometimes in the... His house. His house is in Venice. And
SPEAKER_00:Taos. Taos, New Mexico. Oh. That's the two places he lives. Wow. Yes. Yeah. But his like major production, like all of his equipment is in Taos. Like he has like a big space there where he has like huge, crazy machinery to make road trip. Let's go. I know, right? I wonder how far it is from here. So unhinged. So, so unhinged. I printed out his bio, but I'm not going to read it because it's so long, but he basically makes these giant glass cubes. And let's see, I'll just read the part where it says they're vacuum coated glass cubes. There's some kind of like coating that he does, which is honestly sounds a little bit like flash glass, but he has like all this crazy machinery that he uses to to do it. And then he, all the pieces have different, like he did one whole show that was all about the, um, the air quality in Los Angeles, the way when the way the air was in Venice, like the way that the cold air would come in from the, from the ocean and mixed with the warm city air and the colors that would create and sort of like the glow that it had
SPEAKER_02:more. I don't know these specifically, but is it the more like fogged ones that he made then? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I saw a photo of that show and it was like there was some it was there was it was fogged but there was also some orange involved anyway his pieces are amazing you saw them you went and saw them
SPEAKER_02:no I haven't seen them in person oh I thought they were your photos oh no I wish oh my gosh sorry sorry for yeah you can't believe everything on the internet um no I haven't seen them in person i feel like there's a show coming up with him soon here i subscribe to the hashtag larry bell so um i see what's happening sometimes he seems like a real rascal i would love love to meet him yeah he
SPEAKER_00:seems very fun he does seem really fun the only other thing i wrote down is that you posted another favorite artist that was egon schiel
SPEAKER_02:oh
SPEAKER_00:Number one. Number one. The number one for me. Do you have a
SPEAKER_02:favorite piece that you can off the top of your head? Yes, I do. Unfortunately it's, I think it's called mother and child. I also love one that's called, um, it's like a priest and a woman. I have it in my living room. Um, when I went, well in, um, In Vienna, when I was staying with my cousin, I was talking about Gustav Klimt because in graphic design, he is mentioned a lot because of his work being graphic. And I was talking big game about Gustav Klimt and my cousin was like, no, you got to go see Egon Schiele. He's the one. Oh, I said it wrong. It's Schiele. I actually don't know how it's pronounced. So I think it's Schiele. There's a museum called the Leopold Museum in Vienna. It's my favorite museum in the world. And it's just Gustav Klimt and Egon Schiele's work. And Egon Schiele has an entire floor dedicated to him. And I really... When I saw his work, I was extremely moved by it. I thought it was just... When I see art like that, I think about when it was made and how those people didn't have the internet. They didn't have as many access to books and paintings and things. So when they saw something, it was really new, really unique, and sometimes jarring and shocking. His work is shocking if I put myself in the mindset of someone in the 1910s. Yeah. Um, for us now it's like, oh yeah, a naked body that looks like a skeleton. Cool. Like whatever. But then I can imagine it was insane to see. Um, I also related at the time they change it every time I go. Um, at the time when I went, it was set up chronologically, the whole floor for him. And it's, there's sections that talk about, um, his dad also died when he was young. And I really related to how he spoke about it. And, um, I'm not going to be able to quote exactly what he says, but I think in my Instagram post, I posted a letter that he wrote to his friend discussing his dad's death and what an impact it had on him and how the lightness and the darkness from the grief really reflect in his work. And I relate very deeply to that as a person and as an artist. And I just connected with his work. I love it so much. I Not that I try and make my stuff look like his, but there's obviously an inspirational element in maybe the color palettes or the lines. If you look at his drawings, he has very beautiful line work that I'm inspired by. Um, but I love him. Yeah. I know you ask like who your favorite artists are. I have a huge list, but he is at the top for sure. And he died so young at 28. I saw that on your post Spanish flu. It'll get you
SPEAKER_00:every time. Who else are your favorite
SPEAKER_02:artists? Oh, I got a big list. I actually wrote some down because I felt like I'd forget. Okay. I'm very inspired by Helen Frankenthal. oh is that
SPEAKER_00:the video yes oh my gosh you guys look at her instagram she posted a video of her it's a gem this video is a gem she like kind of talks in circles for a second and then she says you know let her rip it's really cute she's
SPEAKER_02:awesome i i take big inspiration from her color palettes i think she just makes everything look ethereal and beautiful together and i love that that she's a woman from that time of making abstract art. Like, she really did her thing. And did it well. Did it very well. I like Etel Ednan. She just passed away recently. And she does a lot of forms with beautiful colors. And... Let's see. I have my little list here. William de Kooning. Yes, he's a big abstract expressionist painter. Like... I think besides Jackson Pollock, which I'm not a huge fan of, that's my feelings, but he's kind of on the other side of that movement and also very famous and also his wife's work, which is so sad that I'm forgetting her name right now. Oh, man. We'll
SPEAKER_00:find it. I'll put it in the show notes.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you. And then I'm really inspired by my friends. I meet a lot of cool people. This painting behind me is from my friend Quinn. He just moved to Portland. He's an incredible painter. I love his And, um, when I was in Mexico city, I met a painter named Paul Lozano and he makes such cool work. We did a trade and it's, I can't believe I convinced him to do that. Like, I really feel so lucky to own something from him. He is so talented and, um, I went and saw Bad Bunny a few weeks ago and that was very inspiring for me. I loved it. I love him. He's great. He's not a friend. Sorry. I wish. He's a rapper, everyone. Yeah. If you don't know, come on. He's the most streamed artist in the world right now. Is he? Yes. Yeah. But think about like,
SPEAKER_00:not everybody who listens to this podcast is going to know who he is. Well, they should. Not they do.
SPEAKER_02:It's very inspiring. And I'm also very inspired by this woman named Layla Gohar. She's an artist. Her medium is food, but I feel like that's kind of the means to the end for her. That's just where... She makes things, but she has an incredible eye. I think she started curating stuff now and she has a collection of like dinnerware and she sees stuff in a very kind of. She looks for contrast also, very high-low elements that I respect deeply. I feel like she can do no wrong. If she wanted anything, she can do perfectly. I also love Peter Shire, who is a part of the Memphis Milano group. He has a studio in Echo Park, and I've seen him outside of it once, and I was truly starstruck.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I was just staring and I couldn't say hi. I get so nervous when I see people like that in person. And I love Francis Malman. Do you know who that is? He's a famous Argentinian chef. And he. Wait,
SPEAKER_00:I think I do know who you're talking about, but keep going.
SPEAKER_02:No. Have you seen chef's table? He was on season. He's a pimp. Yeah. He's the one with the long hair, right? I don't think he has long hair. He's an old man. He's an old man. And he works with fire. That's his thing. With long hair. I guess it's like... Okay, maybe it's long. I mean, for a man. I love that that's what you would notice because you're a hair stylist in here.
SPEAKER_00:No, but that guy is like... pulling it all in he is he is an artist he is an artist yeah okay go ahead sorry to interrupt you but i got really excited because i actually do know who you are talking about and i think that's my favorite episode of chef's table
SPEAKER_02:actually my favorite episodes of chef's table is this brazilian guy i think his name is alex atala he was a punk rocker who turned into a chef and his story's amazing sounds familiar i think it's season three okay um it's an episode i I go back to sometimes because he is very inspiring to me. I don't know why I'm so inspired by chefs. I think it's just, I need
SPEAKER_00:to get to the bottom of this. Maybe food is just your love language. It's a way of like nourishing and it's a way of feeding people and servicing them in a way, you know, not in any way, not in a way. It just is.
UNKNOWN:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I think also there's something– I think it attracts a certain kind of person in that field of work. And maybe in the way that I don't really relate to the rock star thing, it kind of is in that field. It attracts those kinds of personalities that I find interesting or amusing. There's a lot of alphas in there for sure. Yeah. yeah definitely speaking and then also anthony bourdain i know it's kind of um it's a bit it was actually a big one for me as a kid like i we didn't have cable tv for the longest time we got it i think when i was 13 or something and i remember travel channel boom like him i loved the way that He talked about the world not being American. The world is not for America's use. I loved how he spoke about it not being an American-centric world.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And that was really impactful for me as a kid. And he really inspired me to do my exchange year when I was 15 years old. Yeah. When I make these decisions to move places or try living in other countries, I really think about how he just kind of went for things. But it is strange that your biggest hero killed themselves. It's kind of a... That death was very intense for me. And I know a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:he was really special. Yeah. I have a painting of him in my kitchen by David Chang. Dave Chang? I don't know if it's David Chang. Dave Chang. I don't know. He's a painter who made a lot of money from Facebook. A graffiti artist, I think. Oh, gosh. I might be butchering this all. But he was good friends with him. And there's an episode of them in Koreatown here. Oh,
SPEAKER_00:I think I saw that.
SPEAKER_02:yes and he painted him and I have that I found it on the internet and I printed it it's in my kitchen amazing it's a lot of people yes I like I'm very interested in other artists delighting the senses yeah Do you have any glass artists? Yes. Ludwig. I always mess up his last name. I have his book next to me, so I wouldn't mess up the name. Spell it for me. Ludwig Schafrath. Yes. That's how you say it. Schafrath. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Do you know who he is? No. No? Okay. No, but I feel like I'm such a visual person that sometimes when people say names to me about artists, I'm like, no, I don't know. And then I'll look it up and I'll be like, yes, I do. I know who this person is. I just didn't know. I'm going to show you
SPEAKER_02:a picture,
SPEAKER_00:which is
SPEAKER_02:probably not helpful for a podcast, but maybe it'll spark something. Yes. Yes. I know who that is. I feel like... Your and my work. Not that we copied him. We did not copy him, but they're kind of in a similar space. I agree. And it's so clean. Oh, I love this book. I got this on Amazon for$20. Nice. So good. Nice work. I'll put a link to that book too. I don't think they make them like I've seen copies for like$500. And then there was this copy. Really? Is it because it was a paperback? I think because it's just old and they don't make them anymore. This is from Madison, Wisconsin, 1983. Inside, there's some writing. Um... I'm not sure why. Gosh, I love this book so much. But if you come to a studio visit, I'll let you look through it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Thank you. I will. One of the cool things about being in Austin now is that we can visit all the time. That's my plan. Because I've been really homesick for LA. And so my husband's like, just let go. We have places to stay. You have places to stay if you just want to take off for the weekend. We just went, I think, two weeks ago. And I got our tickets. um for 83 round trip wow yeah and that's not a super uncommon thing like they're always having sales of tickets between austin and la so it makes sense yeah it's a really short flight i want to say it's like two and a half hours which you know i guess it's not that short it's not like it's flying from like la to phoenix or something but it's short enough to where you can go for the weekend and you're not like traveling all day to get there you know
SPEAKER_02:yeah i mean sometimes we're in a car for two and a half hours here. So.
SPEAKER_00:Seriously. Yeah. It was really cool when I was there. Well, this part wasn't very cool, but my daughter tested positive for COVID in the middle of our trip. And so my husband left, he came back to Austin. He was negative and I was negative too. And she was asymptomatic. And so I had to extend her trip so that we could, so I could quarantine her. Couldn't fly with her. for the first five days. And I took her to the beach three days in a row from the East side. And yeah, you're looking at me like I'm crazy because in all the time that I lived in LA, I never went to the beach three days in a row. It's way too much of a production to like get over there and you got things to do. But we had nowhere to go and nowhere to be and I couldn't take her anywhere. And so it was great. Like we just went to the beach and I was able to take like really scenic ways there, scenic ways, a different way home. It was cool. That's the spirit. That's nice. It was good. We rented bikes. It was great. What beach did you go to? We went to, well, the first two days we went to Will Rogers. Did you know there's a smaller beach next to it called Ginger Rogers? I rarely go that north to the beach. It's usually the beach I go to. It's like my go-to because it has, it's not very crowded. It's very clean. Parking's easy. It has bathrooms. And there's also like a little outdoor cafe that's usually open. You can like walk up and get like a hot dog or something, you know? That checks all the boxes. It really does. Yeah. And, but yeah, I didn't know that there was that ginger Rogers beach next to it. I know. I know. I've been on this like ginger Roger press tour ever since for everybody that's from LA or lives there. I'm like, did you know there's a ginger Rogers beach? Cause Will Rogers is just like so well known. And then the third day I rented us bikes in Santa Monica, but not on the beach, like in town. And then we like walked the bikes for, you know, three blocks or whatever to the, the bike path to the pier. And then, Road all the way down and then road back up. And it was great. It was a Sunday, but we were not really around people. We were like in motion the whole time. And you know how there's that like really big playground there that has like the really big swings just south of Santa Monica? Yeah. Sadly, I don't. Well, it was cool because I think it might have been Venice Beach, but there was this whole aerial yoga gathering happening. Yeah, it was really cool because on the swing sets and on the ring sets, the swing sets that just have the rings, they had tied them to the side and they put up their own... They put their own silks up and then there was people doing... I'm totally blanking on the name right now, but the yoga that, um, what's it called?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Aerial yoga.
SPEAKER_00:Is it aerial
SPEAKER_02:yoga?
SPEAKER_00:No, I think there's a different name where you have like a partner. Oh, I'm mad at myself right now that I know
SPEAKER_02:what you're talking about, but I was just thinking about this the other day. Um, I don't know what it's called either. Well, anyway, there was a
SPEAKER_00:lot of cool stuff for a seven-year-old to see. Oh yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, that was my LA trip. I really slowed it down. I didn't, I wasn't like running everywhere to like see everybody and eat everything and do it like that. Like I normally do. So it was, it was an, it was a surprise treat.
SPEAKER_02:What do you miss about LA? I miss the feeling of belonging.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I will come in Austin. You've been there so short of time. I know I have to keep reminding myself of that and just like giving myself a little grace is that like, it takes time to, to find it. But I feel like I had like a lifetime of memories made there. And there's something really special about a friendship you have with somebody when they knew you before you became a parent, you know, like that's just not replaceable. Yeah. So I miss that. And I miss, you know, I miss the architecture of LA.
SPEAKER_02:Interesting.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I really do. I miss all the art deco and all of the, just the mix of it. Like you just, you drive down certain streets and you're like, the street is so LA, you know? I really miss the buildings. I miss the palm trees.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But it's nice, too, because now when I see it, I never thought about palm trees when I lived there. Not often. Maybe when I first got there, but after that, I never really thought about it. And now I'm like, ooh, the palm tree. I get really excited about them. Or the way that the ocean air feels is something else that I never really thought too much about. But... This trip before the COVID happened, we had gone to some friends that lived in the Palisades. And so we were really close to the water. We weren't right on the water and we were at their house. And so I couldn't see the water, but when we left their house, I could feel that ocean air. And I just stood in the middle of the street for like 10 minutes and was just like drinking it in, in a way that I felt like, Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:And it actually really reminds me of my childhood, but it's so different than waking up over here. Even though it's not even that far, it's several different climates. It's like
SPEAKER_00:a crispy humidity.
SPEAKER_01:It's
SPEAKER_00:so unique and special. And that's why it's jillions of dollars to live there. Exactly. Yes.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so those are the first things that came to mind. That's nice.
SPEAKER_02:I think... Every time I leave LA and I come back, I either love being in a car again because I'm not in public transit around a bunch of people or I hate it because I miss looking at everyone or being able to read a book or have an alcoholic beverage easily or, you know, exist. But there is something very, I know we were talking mad shit, but there is something. Oh. Yeah. Very special about this place. I feel like anything is possible here. So I drink the Kool-Aid sometimes.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. I'm slanging that Kool-Aid on the corner every weekend. No, I have a very special love in my heart for LA that I don't have for anywhere else. And it is so funny that I say like the palm trees, but just like the iconic LA things, like the real stereotypical visual things. And I miss the industry. I do. I do. I miss it. I miss like, I know. I also have a thing though, and this is an ongoing something I need to look at, but I'm always very like wistful about the past. I always remember the good things about friendships that actually were pretty toxic or I'm very like, I have a very like romantic memory of things of the past when, you know, I'm usually only remembering one side of it. That's a nice way to live, I think. Yeah. But it's good to remind myself, too, that, like, when we were leaving, I was, like, ready.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I always say that... LA is an amazing city to live in if you can leave. Yeah, it's very true. And I've left a lot. And even in the last year, I spent half the year in Mexico this last year. And it's made me like being here more, not in comparison to Mexico, just because I can get away and like separate myself from it. And I think that's the way to do it. And of course, until you have children. But that's, I think, how I'm going to maintain this relationship until I don't with the city. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. Until your priorities change.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:exactly.
SPEAKER_02:And maybe I'll become a billionaire. Just kidding. I do not want to be one. Yeah. No, no, not an, I don't trust billionaires. I am a part of that group of people who don't like Rick Caruso. If you're listening, no,
SPEAKER_00:if you're listening, Rick Caruso, get out of there. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We'll find out. Yeah. Okay. So I asked you about your artists. I asked you about your stained glass artist. Um, so the last question is what are your five to 10 year goals?
UNKNOWN:Um,
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I know about the restaurant.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, the restaurant would be great. A billboard. I don't know if I'll make it into, I don't know if I, yeah, five to 10 years. So yeah, I'd like to get a grant, make a billboard. That would be so sweet. I'd like to meet Stanley Tucci. Really? Yes. But that's possible. Yeah. And billboards possible.
SPEAKER_00:No, I do think the billboards possible. In fact, when you said that, I was like, you don't need a grant. You don't, you do. Do not know, but you're going to meet the right person. Yeah. People own those billboards.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Somebody is going to be really inspired by your work and like, want you to do that. And it's going to be a part of some kind of like marketing branding thing. Maybe you could partner with a company. Look, I, you know, you're shaking your head and I don't think that's selling out to do like those kinds of partnerships. I think it's great. I think any way that you can bring stained glass into the mainstream, like commercialism, I think it's, I think
SPEAKER_02:it's all good. I think as a graphic designer, it's been like, that has been everything that I've Okay. Yeah. I'm surprised actually we didn't, this is kind of separate from the five years that we didn't talk about process because people have asked me to make flowers and wolves and, you know, Frank Lloyd Wright inspired stuff. And I say no, because I only want to do my own thing. Yeah. That's the point. But I do send them in the direction. I'm like this person, I think also like all the people you've interviewed, like there's something forever style wise like there's room for all of us and and someone will find what they're looking for especially as more and more people do this art Anyways. Yes. So the billboard is possible. Yes. And so is meeting Stanley Tucci. Totally possible.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Are you just a big Sex and the City fan? Or like, where is this coming from? Is he on Sex
SPEAKER_02:and the City? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No way. I would feel
SPEAKER_02:like I would have known that.
SPEAKER_00:I swear he is. Let me look it up real quick while you tell us why you love Stanley Tucci. I love...
SPEAKER_02:I think there's no words. He just... I actually know he's like a more wholesome Anthony Bourdain as far as like his CNN program goes. I love that program. And he's just a delightful person that I would like to meet and maybe make stained glass where that would be cool. Could happen. Yeah. Anyone know Stanley? It can happen. I feel like it's very possible. I think you're thinking of Willie Garson or. He played the gay best friend. I do not think Stanley Tucci was on. I think you're right. I think that's who I'm thinking of. Both sexy bald men. It's okay. What is. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:I was wrong again. Gosh, I know I'm literally the worst.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. I would like to continue to live part time in L.A. I'd like to continue that. My lives outside of this city and country are really important to me and really influential to me and really grounding for me. I'm so curious about other cultures and how people live. And I think that we can have an amazing quality of life in the United States. I feel really lucky, but I also don't think it's the best. And I like to explore places that maybe suit my needs better. I mean, I know it's not for everybody. So I'd like to continue to try living places and see what works for me. Or maybe it's temporary because Everything's temporary.
SPEAKER_00:Everything's
SPEAKER_02:temporary. And then maybe fusing glass at some point would be cool. Because sometimes I feel limited by the colors, but for now it works. The last goal is right now I'm doing graphic design 75% of the time and stained glass 25%. And I'd like that to switch in the next five years. I still want to do graphic design in some form because I think it's a part of me and something I really love. But maybe not full-time at some point. I don't know. We'll see.
SPEAKER_00:So you do want to monetize Glass?
SPEAKER_02:I've only come to that conclusion in the last year, really, that I think I do. But I think I will do it very slowly because... I want to make sure it's something I really like. I did an artist residency over the summer, and it was the first time that I had spent six weeks only doing stained glass. And I was like, what if I don't like doing it full time? But I loved it. And I had the best time ever. I think also the environment is very helpful, but I really had a great time not looking at my computer for a lot of time.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I hear you. Well, you're just doing it. You're making me mad, but you're doing it. I want you to stay curious and stay exploring. And I want you to keep doing it, doing what you're doing because it's working. And I can't wait to see what you do next. Thanks. Before we do hang up, can I have you explain what you're making for the Cracked Patreon page? Yes. Because it's really cool.
SPEAKER_02:I am making my guide to Los Angeles. It's a unique take, I think, because I'm from here and I'm also very dedicated to my neighborhood, so it will have a lot to do with East Hollywood. But it also will be highlighting places next to where my public pieces are. So, for example, I just put one in Playa del Rey. So I will highlight one of my favorite places to go there with my parents. And maybe I'll see you there. And yeah, that will be
SPEAKER_00:fun. That's incredible. And so it's a little bit of a love letter to LA, but it's also a map to all your pieces. Yes, which doesn't exist, actually. So does now. Exclusive. Yes, you heard it here. Well, have a wonderful and productive day in your studio today, if you're doing that. And I'll talk to you really soon. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye. To see more of Jax's work, her Instagram is at Jax Partlow. That's J-A-X-P-A-R-T-L-O-W. And mine is at Runa Glassworks. As you already heard, Jax made the cutest guide to LA and glass piece map with her incredible graphic design skills. And you can get your eyes on that at patreon.com backslash Gosh, you guys, this isn't goodbye. This is I'll see you later. Season four is already in free production. I'm putting together sponsors currently. And if you're a studio or a business that wants in on that, email me at hello at runaglassworks.com. It's a great investment in a very unique way. Let me tell you why. This is a niche podcast. So the listeners are a very kind of the exact demographic you want to know about what your business offers and with every episode that is released new listeners discover the podcast and so older episodes are then still getting traction which means your ad not only never expires but instead exponentially grows in visibility over time like i said it's a great investment and for everyone else listening small glass business owners or hobbyists or anything in between i'm going to ask a favor of you again and it's hard for me because I hate to sound needy but I do need you and the squeaky wheel gets the grease right if you could please like subscribe follow all the listening platforms have different names for that and also leave a review that is free and it's an easy way to support the show show your appreciation for the work I put into this and it only takes a few minutes hopefully if you would like to put a tip in my tip jar you can do that at patreon.com backslash rune of glass works and There, you'll also get access to plenty of craft goodies from our show guests, like free patterns, a lot of them original that were created just for this Patreon page, discount codes, giveaways, and drawings for original pieces, as well as studio playlists. In between seasons, I also try to stay on top of classes being offered and general glass going-ons and post them there too. So I really try to make sure that not only do you get your podcast fix, but you get your money's worth there as well and that's all I've got for now I don't have a time frame to share for you for when season 4 will premiere but keep an eye on me and Instagram and I'll be updating about that there have a safe and wonderful first few months of 2023 filled with goal setting and crushing I want you to succeed as an artist whatever that means to you I'm cheering you on and we all are and don't forget when the water rises all the boats rise with it till next time bye Bye.