Chevy to the Levee with Lindsey Lou Wonder

Hello and welcome back! Today on Cracked with Chevonne Ariss I'm joined by Lindsey Wonder. She is a Tucson, AZ based tattooer, stained glass artist, painter and illustrator. Lindsey received her BFA from The School of Visual Arts in NYC. She specializes in stained glass tail lights she makes custom for vintage cars, trucks and vans. Today we're going to chat about the parallels between stained glass and tattooing, her upcoming vending at Van Nationals, and different ways we all should tweak the way we approach waitlists to keep everyone honest! Let's get into it...

Join me as I crack it all wide open!

To see more of Lindsey's work her instagram is @Lindseywonder and her website is lindseywonder.com. 

 For the Patreon page Lindsey is gifting one of her sets of stained glass dice to hang in your rearview mirror. They measure about 3.5” x 2”, so they’re really the perfect size, not too big like classic fuzzy dice, not too small, and I’m speaking from experience because mine are hanging in my truck as we speak and I love them so much! I’ll be doing a drawing for those on Instagram 12 days after this episode is released.

Honorable mentions from this episode:

Van Nationals
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Easy Etcher Portable Precision Engraving Pen
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Glass artists:
@Heatherdawnglassworks
@color.glass.light
@znstainedglass
@sharpartkelowna

Other artists:
Diego Riviera
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Peter Max
petermax.com

Tucson Stained Glass (Hi Estelle!)
tucsonstainedglass.com

Youghiogheny Glass Company
Stained glass sheets and glass products for the art and stained glass industry.

Canfield Technologies
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Paul Wissmach Glass Co.
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Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Hello and welcome back to Craft. First, a quick shout out to the sponsors of this episode before we get started. Thank you to Canfield Technologies, whose quality 6040 solder is the only one I'll use. Find out more at canfieldmetals.com. Next, I'd like to thank Yakagini Glass. Yakagini Glass is a small manufacturing company that specializes in the production of stained glass sheets and glass products for the art and stained glass industry. Its products are are distributed worldwide for use in the making of stained glass lamps panels windows and other arts and crafts yakagini glass is world renowned in the artist community for its uncompromising quality and color artistry designed to recreate the magnificence of nature's palette i'd also like to express my gratitude for wiz mac glass as of april 2021 wiz mac glass company is under new ownership the new owners are excited to continue the tradition of a They provide the same high-quality product that artists know and love while striving to modernize the brand, improve workplace benefits, and connect with regional artists. Learn more at Wismac Art and Cale& Glass by visiting their website at wismacglass.com or by following Wismac underscore glass on Instagram. That's W-I-S-S-M-A-C-H underscore glass. Today on Cracked with Siobhan Arras, I'm joined by Lindsay Wonder. She is based in Tucson, Arizona. She is a tattooer, stained glass artist, painter, and illustrator. Lindsay received her BFA from the School of Visual Arts in NYC. She specializes in stained glass taillights, and she makes customs for vintage cars, trucks, and vans. Today, we're going to chat about the parallels between stained glass and tattooing, her upcoming vending at Van Nationals, and different ways we all should tweak the way we to keep everyone honest. Let's get into it. Join me as I crack it all wide open. How are you? I'm great. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you. Yay. Thank you for joining me. Yeah. Thank you for inviting me. You're welcome. You're in

SPEAKER_00: 2:24

Tucson. I am. Is that where you're from? No. No, no, no. I've been here about five years. Actually, a little longer now. Okay. Yep. And where did you grow up? So... Northeast, New England, New York, New Jersey, all up there. I've got family all over Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, New Jersey. So.

SPEAKER_01: 2:49

Okay. Yeah. I know I just lived in Massachusetts, right?

SPEAKER_00: 2:52

Yeah. In the Berkshires, right? Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't anywhere near there. My family's all pretty close to Boston.

SPEAKER_01: 2:58

Okay. Okay. It's beautiful over there. So pretty. I

SPEAKER_00: 3:03

just hate winter. So I'm much happier in Tucson.

SPEAKER_01: 3:06

Oh, I hear that. I hear that. So you're joining us from tucson arizona you're from the east coast right outside boston what did you want to be when you grew up

SPEAKER_00: 3:16

always an artist

SPEAKER_01: 3:17

yeah

SPEAKER_00: 3:18

that was always my answer forever and then as i got older and my parents were like you know you should go to college i've like looked at art schools i'm like oh i can go to college for art like watch this like and um yeah so always always an artist and it finally happened which is really cool did you go to art school i did I have a bachelor's in fine arts from the school of visual arts in New York city, which, you know, in hindsight was a really expensive decision that you don't necessarily need to be an artist. Yeah. It helps though. I learned things. I made good connections. There was, you know, it was, it was good it was a good time what was it before glass um I've always painted and drawn um pretty much like all kinds of mixed media stuff I've I have tried almost every medium I can think of um as I got a little bit older and started getting tattooed I was like becoming more interested in that um and then people would see my work and they'd be like oh this this would make really good tattoos and I you know had a moment where I was like well you know if I got if I was a tattooer I could have as many tattoos as I wanted and still have a job which is really cool it's also one of the if not the only art that females make more than men really that was yeah so that was or they can they have the potential to so that was like huge to me as I was like oh shit like I can stick it to the boys you know

SPEAKER_01: 4:54

what is that why do you think that females make more um

SPEAKER_00: 4:58

there's a A lot of people who prefer to be tattooed by women and not to downplay any male artists because there are a lot of amazing male tattooers, obviously. I think a lot of females, our bedside manner is a little bit different. We're a little bit more thoughtful. It has to hurt, yes, but there are things you can do to make it hurt less and make people more comfortable and make the situation a little bit more inviting. So I think for that reason, a lot of people want to be tattooed by women as well as some women, you know, are more comfortable with another woman. Um, so yeah, there's, there's a lot of things just, you know, stuff like that, I guess.

SPEAKER_01: 5:41

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think of New York? It's so different from Tucson. What did you think of New York?

SPEAKER_00: 5:51

I loved it. My dad's from New York. My stepdad is from New York. So I spent a lot of time there. Most of my life I lived there, but I've moved around a lot. So that's not really saying much. But I didn't want to get old there. I didn't want to do the stairs and the subways and the humidity during the summer and the snow and the walking in it and all that as I got older. And plus there's just not a lot of space and having always loved classic vehicles and like wanting to own one, one day I was like, I'm never going to have the ability to do that here. Plus the cost of living is a little crazy. Um, so thinking about, you know, weather and space and stuff like that, it was like, okay, I gotta, gotta make a move. Yeah. So how did

SPEAKER_01: 6:41

Tucson

SPEAKER_00: 6:42

come into it? So I'm moved to, I lived in the Southeast for a little while. I lived in North Carolina and in Georgia, and then I moved out to California and California was nice, but it's so expensive. Um, and I had visited Tucson before and was like, you know what, I'm going to move to the desert because it's cheaper. And Sandy, I was in San Diego and I found it wasn't warm and sunny all the time you know like it's always sunny in southern california it's not it's gray because you're on the ocean so you've got this overcast and it was like perpetually 72 degrees and i like hot like i like 85 and higher that's where i'm happy so i was like all right i'm gonna move to the sunniest hottest place i can in the country and i love it here i've been nothing but happy i don't think i'll leave my husband talks about retiring in mexico someday and i'm not in any hurry to do that but i i other than that i don't think I'm going anywhere

SPEAKER_01: 7:42

yeah is it just you and your partner or do you guys have any pets

SPEAKER_00: 7:45

we have lots of pets um we have three snakes a dog and a cat uh yeah but it's just he and I are his son my stepson moved in with us yesterday actually so there's a 19 year old young man living with me now so that'll be an interesting change yeah congratulations

SPEAKER_01: 8:04

thanks I've only been to Tucson once I I lived in Phoenix for like a year and I went to Tucson one time. It was for like 48 hours in 19... 99 okay that's it

SPEAKER_00: 8:25

okay it's it's

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experience

SPEAKER_00: 8:28

it's cool because it's close enough to phoenix where if there isn't something here that i need we can go up to phoenix like there's everything there but it's not a huge city it's a good size it's um you know it's manageable i like it but it's not concrete and huge buildings and i've had enough of that like i'm i'm good on that so yeah and it's beautiful here it's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01: 8:52

It's so pretty there. It's like you get much more of like the, like the postcard desert.

SPEAKER_00: 8:59

The sunset. Yeah. It's really, it's something. I'm still so in awe of the desert and the cacti. Like we have three saguaros in our front yard, which are the big ones with the arms. You know, we have three huge ones with arms in my front yard. Like that's crazy

SPEAKER_01: 9:15

to me. Yeah. There's not that much in Phoenix. Phoenix. Nope. Cause it's all built up. Yeah. Yeah. When I think of the saguaro, I think of Joshua tree.

SPEAKER_00: 9:26

Yeah. But there's not saguaro in Joshua tree. Is there not? There's just a hotel called it. They're only in the Sonoran desert. So Arizona is the only state that has saguaros in the country. There are lots of cactus in Joshua tree and in Southern California and New Mexico and Texas, but we're the only state that has saguaros.

SPEAKER_01: 9:46

Oh, okay. And you're saying saguaro. You're not saying the G. No, it's not. It's silent. Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 9:53

Yep. I didn't know that. I learned fairly recently moving here.

SPEAKER_01: 10:02

So do you feel like you split your time pretty 50, 50 between tattoo and glass?

SPEAKER_00: 10:07

Yes.

UNKNOWN: 10:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 10:09

Yeah. How did you learn how to do glass? So I was living in San Diego and I hadn't learned to tattoo yet. And with the cost of living being so high in San Diego, I kind of thought to myself, it won't work for me to get an apprenticeship to learn to tattoo here because you don't make money while you apprentice. You work for free. So I figured I need to do something that... interests me other than just the art that I was doing. And I had bought some stained glass from another artist on Instagram and was really into it. Like I obviously, you know, like everyone says, you grow up going to church and seeing these big, amazing windows. That was my original experience with it. But then starting to see more modern stuff online, I was like, I really want to learn to do that. Like I love color. I love the way that light interacts with artwork. The way that stained glass has bold lines around everything. is very similar to the artwork that I was already making. So I was like, this is going to be a really great, you know, transition. So I took a class in San Diego at a local studio there. It was a, I want to say eight weeks. And in that eight weeks, you're supposed to make one piece. I made like 10 because I was just hooked. I was like, I love this. This is awesome. I'm like going on Craigslist at the time because there wasn't Facebook marketplace. And I got like old glass windows that people were just giving away. So I practice cutting and then I found someone who was having an estate sale and bought all this antique glass and like was about it from day one loved it yeah so I love

SPEAKER_01: 11:46

that and how long ago was that

SPEAKER_00: 11:47

that was in 2017 so not that long ago

SPEAKER_01: 11:50

okay cool um when did you make the connection between doing stained glass and doing all these taillights

SPEAKER_00: 11:59

so I got my first van in 2015 and it wasn't I mean technically I guess it was a classic because it was a 94 but it wasn't like a 70s you know like classic classic van I moved out to San Diego in that and I sold it bought a 1979 and had seen pictures of other vans like older older vans that had stained glass taillights just here and there there was like a handful of them that I'd seen and was really interested in it I had a friend in San Diego who helped me work on my van a little bit and he was like you do stained glass like you should make these taillights but I was super new at stained glass and I'm like that's red glass it's expensive that's like perfect shape and size and whole pattern like there's no margin for error in this at all I'm gonna wait until I've been doing glass a little bit longer before I do this thing that there's so much potential for failure and being frustrated and I didn't like that um so then I finally felt comfortable enough probably like two and a half years ago at this point. And I made a set for my van. I had talked to a guy who... owns a van that has a set of taillights that was made, I think in the eighties, maybe the seventies and his grandfather made them. So he didn't have a lot of information because his grandfather's past. So he's like, you know, I have no idea. Like he sent me some pictures and we talked a little bit and he said, the one thing that happened is the first time they installed them, they over-tighten them and they cracked, but that the crack had been running in them for all these years and there had been no other issues. So I was like, okay, I'm going to give it a shot. So I made a set for my van. instantly once I posted them people were like make me a set make me a set and I'm like whoa whoa like let's make sure these work let's like run them on my van for you know a little while so after I had them on my daily driver for a full year I was like okay I'm ready to sell these and talk to people and then it's just been a little bit crazy since then yeah yeah

SPEAKER_01: 14:09

yeah absolutely So you drive an 84 Chevy? I

SPEAKER_00: 14:14

have an 84 and a 79. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 14:18

And are you doing just vans and trucks or are you doing motorcycles as well? So motorcycles,

SPEAKER_00: 14:24

there's too much vibration, way too much vibration. So I could make them, but there would be absolutely no guarantee that they would survive one ride. So people have asked me about it and I just don't feel confident, especially because I'm selling these things. So I'm taking people's money and I would like to stand behind the things that I sell that they are going to last and that you are going to be able to use them for what they're, they're meant for. So I don't want to set anybody up to be disappointed after spending all that money on something. So I haven't done motorcycles and I don't think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_01: 15:01

Okay. I saw somebody do a sissy bar using that like blank space in between the two bars on the side. I thought that was pretty cool too.

SPEAKER_00: 15:08

Yeah. But not for riding, just for display. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I mean, it might work, but it probably wouldn't. It's dicey. Yeah. It is dicey. But I guess if you're already on a motorcycle. Yeah. I mean, throw a little glass into the mix.

SPEAKER_01: 15:27

You should be wearing protective gear anyway, right?

SPEAKER_00: 15:31

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 15:33

Do you create your own patterns?

SPEAKER_00: 15:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 15:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 15:37

Yep. I've only made... Three things from other people's patterns in my entire career. One was the first piece in the first class I took. One was a dragonfly for my mother-in-law. And then the other one was a leaded glass piece in the leaded glass class that I took because I thought it made more sense to focus on learning rather than trying to come up with my own pattern in the allotted time. So other than that, all my own patterns. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 16:06

And you're only doing copper foil, right? I

SPEAKER_00: 16:08

do leaded glass as well. Okay. I saw the big

SPEAKER_01: 16:11

tattoo. two signed. That was leaded.

SPEAKER_00: 16:12

Yes. I've made like five or six leaded glass pieces at this point. I'd like to do more for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 16:19

Yeah. And so with the copper foil, do you have any issues with the moisture getting through?

SPEAKER_00: 16:25

No, not yet. No one's had any issues so far. They're also typically a little bit set in on the vehicles. They're not like right where rain is hitting them. They're kind of in. And that's why there's really specific make them models that work with them. And there's, yeah. So it's not for every vehicle. Like there's a lot of, I do a lot of breaking hearts when people hit me up and ask me to make stuff. I'm like, that can't be done. Like I can, I can do it, but it's not, not a good idea.

SPEAKER_01: 16:57

Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of taillights, they're not flat. They're three-dimensional. They're rounded.

SPEAKER_00: 17:03

A lot of newer vehicles, especially. Yes. They're rounded. They come around the corners of the vehicle. Some of them go onto the trunks of vehicles So opening and closing a trunk with glass on it, like not a good look. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff I cannot do. And a lot, there's... a lot of researching those things and like explaining to people and, and there's, yeah, a lot of, a lot of behind the scenes looking at taillights, everyone. Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 17:35

Do you use some kind of rig when you do have to make them slightly rounded?

SPEAKER_00: 17:39

Um, no, just patterns. And, um, Oh, you mean slightly rounded, like three-dimensional rounded? Yeah. flat glass piece and you'll have to recess the bulbs a little bit so that they're not touching the glass. So sometimes there is a little bit of work on the customer's end as well to get it so that they're operational. And then I also make, I make gaskets for things. So the glass isn't rubbing against directly against metal. So for those ones, I made him a half inch gasket that was like super, super thick so that there was even more room for the bulb to sit in there without touching the glass.

SPEAKER_01: 18:45

Okay. So when are we keeping the original bulbs and when are we changing them? Depends on the make and the model.

SPEAKER_00: 18:53

Okay. Yeah. There's some that work like changing to LED bulbs because they're flat is helpful. Some things require a little bit of modification on the client's end, which most people who own classic vehicles are totally okay with that and they get it. It's part of what they do. And then there's some people that that's like a no-go for them. So they don't end up ordering and stuff like oh I have to do it's not plug and play I can't do it so

SPEAKER_01: 19:20

right yeah and do you ever offer the service of mounting them for them or is it just like now it's yours do what

SPEAKER_00: 19:28

you want other than the one set that I made for the 51 Nash I haven't made them for anyone in Tucson I ship them all over the place if I could I would absolutely come over and install them and that would give me some peace of mind too because you're you're putting screws into this whole pattern that I've made in the glass and if you put pressure on it unevenly it's going to crack if you use power tools it's going to crack so they come with a super long list of instructions you know to to put them on only using hand tools and to put them to tighten the screws like you would a lug nuts on a tire so you don't want to tighten one all the way down and then move to the next you tighten them a little bit at a time so that there's even pressure

SPEAKER_02: 20:15

And

SPEAKER_00: 20:16

then even then, when you think it's probably tight enough to kind of tap on it, if it's not wiggling and all the screws are seated, you're good to go. So there's instructions that come with them. And I tell everybody that I send them to, if you have questions when you're installing them, I'm here for you. A lot of communication with clients so that they're not breaking. But a couple of sets have broken and they've come back to me and I fix them. And they've all been from over-tightening.

SPEAKER_01: 20:39

Yeah. Do you offer some kind of warranty? No.

SPEAKER_00: 20:44

And they also... come with a very clear disclaimer that they are not DOT approved Department of Transportation that they're technically for novelty use only and not to be meant not to be used on a motor vehicle but a lot of vehicle parts that you buy to modify your vehicle say that. My steering wheel is not DOT approved. Weird stuff. So people who do modifications to their vehicles, they kind of understand that. And a lot of them are for show vans or show trucks that people don't drive every day too. So there's that. But there's some on daily drivers as well.

SPEAKER_01: 21:22

Are any of these vehicles kind of like grandfathered in, in terms of the parts that generally would not pass by today's standards of inspection, but because they are vintage vehicles, they're fine? I

SPEAKER_00: 21:39

think that that varies from state to state, depending on what your vehicle inspection is. Some states don't have, some states and counties, like depending on what county you're in, there's no inspections. Some places it's just emissions or smog, and they don't look at any of the safety equipment, like lights or anything. And then there's states that are super, super strict, like Massachusetts and New Hampshire, where you're getting a yearly safety inspection and they're checking all your brake lights. They're checking that your doors open and close, like all that stuff. So that's part of it, too, is that when people ask me about them, that first initial conversation, you know, I explain they will not pass a safety inspection. If your state or county only does smog or emissions, you're good. They won't look at that. I've had mine on my van for a little over two years now, and I have not been pulled over. knock on wood. But also, it depends on how you're driving. If you're driving like a jerk, it's going to give them another thing to talk to you about when they pull you over. It depends on your local police. Tucson, unfortunately, they're overworked. They could care less about my taillights. They've got bigger fish to fry. So it's kind of a you know, a risky run.

SPEAKER_01: 22:58

Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 23:01

So when they order these, do they always send you the lens? You can use that as a pattern or do you just know, can you look up exact dimensions of that model?

SPEAKER_00: 23:11

I have a collection of taillights and taillight housings to test fit them on. Like I've got just around me right now, there's like five different taillights because I'm in my studio. So I make the patterns. Some of them I've made so often that I have a template on my iPad. That's just the outside shape and then the whole pattern that goes in it. And then I base, you know, I make the pattern within that. But then I've got, you know, taillights. She's holding up. I have tons of them. Every time I go to junkyards, if I see something, which my husband and I do a good amount, if I see something that has, flat taillights. I'm like, oh, I can make those. And I take them and I take the... the housings for them as well so that I can test fit them into that to make sure before I send it out that it's going to fit. Um, yeah. And then I can also hook these up to a car battery and get pictures of them lit up to send to the customer before I send them out to them. So they see kind of what it's going to look like. So yeah, lots of weird little stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 24:20

That's amazing. Are you guys gearheads? Like, are you working on the engines and stuff not just

SPEAKER_00: 24:27

a little bit on the engines my husband is friends with we're both friends with a couple guys who own a machine shop and he's gone over there and done some actual engine building and stuff like that I know a good amount I'd say about everything except the internal workings of the engine like I know how they work but I'm not going to take apart my engine anytime soon my husband is a little bit more confident with that stuff but between the two of us it pretty much everything. Yeah. We have... probably like 12 vehicles on our property most of them run and are registered and insured and drive and they're all between 1948 and 1986 the newest vehicle we own is an 86

SPEAKER_01: 25:15

wow yeah it sounds like vans were your gateway vehicle into okay

SPEAKER_00: 25:20

yeah but for him he has a ton of chevy trucks

SPEAKER_01: 25:25

okay

SPEAKER_00: 25:25

yeah which i have a chevy truck too it just it's not built yet we'll get there When I have time, which what is, what is time?

SPEAKER_01: 25:32

Is this by chance a meet cute between the two of you? Is that how you guys met?

SPEAKER_00: 25:38

So I met him at the tattoo shop that he owns that I now work at. I went in to get tattooed and he was there and we started talking. And one of the first conversations we had was about his old Chevy truck and my old Chevy van in the parking lot. And that definitely, it definitely helps start things off for sure. Yeah. I love that. It's pretty cool. It's nice to have... Someone who understands you're crazy. You know what I mean? Like your own breed of crazy. Like he gets it. He's doing all the same things I'm doing. He's an artist as well. So he's good to like bounce ideas off of. I show him everything I make. He's also my biggest fan. I'm very, very lucky. Everything I make, he's like, is that for me? I'm like, no, dude, it's already sold. He's like, make me one. Like with what time? Like, what do you mean? So he's, yeah, he's super supportive. I'm very, very lucky. Very lucky.

SPEAKER_01: 26:33

What's his nine to five? He's a tattooer.

SPEAKER_00: 26:36

Oh, he is. Yeah, he is as well. And he owns the tattoo shop. And because he owns the tattoo shop, he's more appointment only. Like he only goes in when he has appointments and then he's here working on trucks and making stuff and yeah, being rad. That's so awesome.

SPEAKER_01: 26:55

It's a good life. It seems like it's a really good life.

SPEAKER_00: 26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 27:00

What are the parallels between stained glass and tattooing? I know actually your, your tattoo work is very colorful and has some more bold lines. Yep. I don't know if it really falls into like American traditional style. Would you call it pretty close? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Is there anything else personally that you think that there's,

SPEAKER_00: 27:19

well, there's blood involved in both every day. There's blood, you know, whether I'm sad or yourself or I'm tattooing someone else. Um... I think one of the other things, too, is the longevity of the piece that you're creating. You know, glass has the potential to hold up for hundreds of years if it's made correctly. Tattoos, if they're done, you know, with that aging process in mind, they're going to last this person's entire life. So that longevity of things is definitely, I think, a parallel.

UNKNOWN: 27:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 27:57

Color, but I also, I mean, I do black and gray tattoos as well. I'll do whatever people ask me for. That's kind of the same thing with glass, like not all these designs or something I would have created on my own. Um, and I think because I do mostly commission work with glass, it's, there's that similarity where I'm being fed ideas. So there's never like artist block where I don't know what to create. Like someone's giving me either the tattoo that they want idea or the glass that they want. So that the bold lines, like you said, um, yeah there's a bunch of stuff I think the biggest difference is that I get all my peopling out of the way when I'm at the shop and then I come home and I'm in my studio and it's just me and it's quiet and it's I like that I have both because sometimes it's a lot of peopling at the shop and thinking about you know you're hurting someone you're trying to make them comfortable like all these it's there's a lot of energy involved you know what I mean you have your hands on someone like all that stuff so sometimes it's very tiring and then to be able to come home and work on something that I'm quiet it's just me there's no nobody bothering me not bothering me but you know so I think that that's like awesome to be able to have both so yeah

SPEAKER_01: 29:15

when I think of tattooing and I think of doing stained glass I think both body positions are kind of like hunched over oh

SPEAKER_00: 29:22

yeah my back hurts all the time

SPEAKER_01: 29:24

I was just gonna ask is there anything that you're doing to sort of like counteract that like have you been doing some yoga some stretching I'm worried about you

SPEAKER_00: 29:31

thank you I should be doing yoga I keep saying I'm gonna get into it um I see a chiropractor fairly regularly shout out dr phil he's the best he keeps me keeps me feeling good um definitely lots of stretching trying to be mindful of my posture when i'm working on things you know there are some things that it's it's impossible some positions when you're tattooing people like there's just no way to be anyway but you know hunched over um but trying to be thoughtful about it while i'm working and while i'm setting up like armrests or the bed or um having the tables in my studio at the right height to where it's not causing any additional pain and aches, um, stuff like that. So there's, there's thought that goes into it, but mostly, mostly my chiropractor saving the day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:25

Your Instagram is Lindsay wonder. And on your profile bio, it says PMA. And I was like, cute. What's that mean? And the first thing that came up on Google was parts manufacturer approval.

SPEAKER_00: 30:37

No,

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that's not what I know. which kind of applies here. So I was like, oh wow, she's like official with the Federation, the Federal Aviation Administration. But then I kept reading and it also is slang for positive mental attitude.

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Yes, ma'am. Yep,

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yep. What happened to your other Instagram? It was called Goldie Holland. Was it hacked?

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Yeah, it was hacked. And I don't know how, I probably just chatted with the wrong person and they sent me a link. I don't know. But it was very frustrating because that account got a lot of engagement, like a lot, like the numbers were growing on it. My stories probably got like six to 700 views every time, which to some people, not a lot. But to me, that was huge. And I'm not, I don't love social media. It's a necessary tool that is more frustrating than it is fun but it's a very very good tool it helps my business grow so I know that I need to use it so that was very frustrating and trying to get in touch with Instagram and send them pictures of myself and they could do nothing for me the other person still has the account and they'll like randomly hit up people and be like hey I got my account back and try and get money from them so it's very very frustrating I've tried to let as many people as I know possibly can know that it's It's not me. Don't fall for it. And then I've just combined everything into the one account. It just keeps things a little bit easier for me since I'm not big into social media anyway. Managing the two different accounts was a lot. I was like, I got to post on this one. I got to post on this one. I can't blah. So yeah, it's easier with one. So if anything, it was a blessing in disguise to try and positive mental attitude, just be cool with it, roll with it.

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Yeah. Okay. So if anybody's listening, Goldie Hall and no

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longer don't give her money. Well, so they changed the name of the account and then I was able to open another account with that name. So I still own that name, but there's nothing on there. But then the other one still has all of my, it still has like probably 4,000 followers that aren't, don't realize that this person is just reposting my old photos and like hitting them. Yeah, it's shady. It's so shady. Wow. People are awful sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah.

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Do you think anybody that, you know, has given them money? No.

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If anything, the people that I, especially the people I know, well, a lot of them have kind of gone to battle for me and been probably pretty inappropriate with this person before they got blocked, which, you know, that's what you get.

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That's what you get.

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Yep.

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Don't mess with anybody in Tucson. Okay. So here's some of the patterns that I saw. Okay. Start rattling some patterns off. Okay. I saw mud flap girls.

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Yep.

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Scorpions.

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Yeah.

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Roses, roses, and some more roses.

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Love flowers. Yeah.

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You know me too. Desert setting sun.

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Yep.

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Rising sun. Yeah. Stop me. Yes. Stop me. If any of these, you're like, Oh, that one, you know, X, Y, Okay. I'm sorry. Saguaro.

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You got it. Yep. You said that right.

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And Prickly Pear.

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Yep.

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Burt Graham Crying Hearts.

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Yep. Which is a tattoo, a traditional tattooer who's, he's long deceased, but his flash has been kind of redone a thousand times. So when that guy hit me up and he was like, I want, you know, traditional tattoo flash. And I was very excited about that one. That one was cool. Yeah. I get excited about all of them, but being a tattooer, that one spoke to me for sure.

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Yeah. Um, hot stuff, baby devils.

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The little hot stuff devil gets tattooed a lot. So also a very fun one to do for me. What's that from? It was a comic book. Oh, I'm probably going to get the dates wrong, but it's pretty old. I want to say like 15, maybe, might be wrong, but it's old. It was an old comic and then it's just kind of made its way into traditional tattooing. That like tattoo of the little hot stuff devil has been done since like Sailor Jerry days. So it's been around a long time.

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Playboy bunnies.

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Yep.

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Spider webs. A dragon.

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The dragons were for a really cool van too. That van has like all kinds of etched glass, like the windows and stuff with all this like fantasy stuff. And then we did the eyes on the dragon blue, which I typically try and talk people out of putting blue in their taillights unless it's like a little tiny bit because cops, like they get the blue lights, like that's asking for trouble. That's one of the laws I am aware of that they, you know, you can't have blue in your lights. but we did a little bit of blue in his eyes as a nod to blue dots which i also have made some blue dot taillights that have the like glass beads in them there's like flat glass beads um a lot of hot rodders and like classic car builders like back in the day would put these blue dots in their taillights they'd like cut out a little section of their taillights and pop these blue dots in them um which i i'm pretty sure are illegal but again basically everything on doing is illegal so it's on them it's on them

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yes uh laugh now cry later masks I love those so much

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and that was fun to not have to do two of the exact same pattern because usually they're they're matching or they're mirrored and those are different little faces in them so that was very fun for me because I don't like to repeat things so that was cool and you wrote those were the most challenging

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yeah

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At the time, but they've gotten weirder. but like, like I'm going to make this happen. And I'm grateful for my small fingers sometimes that I can't even foil these tiny little pieces.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, the steal your face, the Danzig skull. Yep. Um, I actually dated a member of that band.

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Did you really? Yeah. Shut up. He was

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like a former member. He wasn't in the band when we, I say dating loosely. We like hung out for like a month.

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Sure. Sure. Um,

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A leopard.

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Yeah, those ones I painted with that glass paint that you bake on. Yeah. I hate that stuff. You do? Have you used it? Yeah. Does solder stick to it when you use it? Is it just me? Am I doing something wrong?

SPEAKER_01: 38:44

Oh, I didn't even try to put foil. I didn't even try to put solder on those dots or whatever.

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I didn't try and put it on them, but it was so close to some of the solder lines that the solder just like went onto it. It was really hard to get off. I hate it. I'll never use it again. I use one shot enamel paint, sign painters paint. Now when I do like the dice that I've made, I paint the dots on with that. Cause I just cannot be bothered. And I feel like the, that bake on paint, it's hard to get the opacity, right? Like it goes on very transparent or it's not even, or it just not, I don't like it. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 39:22

And then if you put too much on it

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cracks. Oh, I haven't noticed that.

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Not the glass, but the actual paint itself.

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Yeah. yeah it's not like smooth and even like it's just too too finicky for me

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well the paint that you're using now is probably more designed for that kind of a wear and tear anyway

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yes absolutely yeah especially with automotive stuff because that's it's basically automotive paint so

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yeah yeah okay um the public enemy logo that was dope

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thank you yeah and those went to massachusetts where he definitely had safety inspection and he's gonna have to take them off once a year and yeah

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yeah gothic cross

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yep those were complicated I used a I started using and the same thing with the public enemy ones I started using a 530 seconds foil so like super skinny foil so that those like really thin lines, like the thin, the really skinny pieces of glass around the edges of the cross or in the circle of the public enemy logo. So they didn't get lost in solder. So it gives you more, I know I don't want to use it too much in one pattern because structurally it's not the best idea, but in some of these like little detail things, I started using that super, super skinny tape. So that's fun. Also fun to work with. I like a challenge.

SPEAKER_01: 40:52

Skeleton Cowboy?

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Yeah, I'm stoked on those. They're not a make and model of van that I drive, but I really like them. I hope someone buys them.

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And did they just say, I want a skeleton with a cowboy hat on or is that from something?

SPEAKER_00: 41:06

Those weren't a custom order. So right now I'm working on lenses for an event this summer called Van Nationals. They do it every summer. It's been going on this year's the 50th anniversary actually. And they host it in a different location every year. And since I I've owned a van, which you can't go if you don't have a van. Um, it's been too far away. So this summer it's in Colorado, which is still like a 14 hour drive, but my husband and I are going and I signed up to be a vendor. So I'm going to be selling stained glass tail lights there. So the stuff that I've been working on for the past, probably like two months are all my ideas to sell at this event. So those cowboy ones. Yeah. Which is also why I've been like hustling, like crazy, making like four sets at a time, like very, very busy over here. Um, but the Cowboys with the, or the skull with the cowboy hat was just my idea, trying to think of things that had white and red or that I could put white and red in. Um, some people care about reverse lights. Some people don't, uh, a lot of older, older vehicles didn't even have them. So it's, you know, to some people, they're like, whatever it's form over function. And then some people really want their reverse lights to be working and like visible so I was trying to come up with different patterns that had you know both a white section as well or like a lighter colored section as well as a red section for the brake light and those those cowboy ones I love those yeah those are really cool

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thank you how many do you think you'll end up taking to the the van nationals

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um So originally the goal was 30, but I'm hoping to have more than that. Um, I probably got about like almost 20 sets done now. Um, and I have until the beginning of July to keep working. Um, I've also been making stuff that you can hang from your rear view mirror. So like little dice, like a nod to like the fuzzy dice that people would put in like hot rods and cars and stuff. It's a little dice and I've made those in all different colors, um, chairs roses, like small stuff that you can hang from a rear view mirror. Yeah. And then I maybe we'll bring some other stuff. I'm trying to have stuff that's like a variety of price points too, because the taillights are not cheap. And I know that not everyone's going to want to spend that much. I'm probably going to end up getting a lot of custom orders from it for people who have like very specific themes to their build, or I'm hoping to get custom orders from it. I don't know. So, you know, Thank you. trying to make a variety of things to make a variety of people happy. Cause there should be probably over a thousand vans at this event. So I also get to see all these vans. I brought my husband so he can like watch the tent while I go run around.

SPEAKER_01: 44:02

It's going to be so fun. It's going to be like the Coachella vans.

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Basically. Yeah. Yeah. I'm stoked. I'm stoked for you to get there, but thank you. Thanks,

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man. I wish you could do my truck.

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What

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kind

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of truck do you

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have? It's a, it's, it's a new, it's like a 2021, I don't, I think that the taillights, I don't think it's the vibe. It's like a, it's a Tundra, but it's, it's like a new truck. So I don't, I don't know.

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I'll send you some dice for your review mirror. Oh my gosh. A little something in there. Thank you. No, thank you. Oh my gosh. You were

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so sweet. Okay. Flames. Classic.

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Yep. Especially for hot rods. That makes sense.

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Sacred heart.

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Those have the state of Texas in the sacred heart. What? Yeah. Cause the guy, he actually doesn't live in Texas anymore. They got shipped to California, but his, I assume from his Instagram name that he's from Dallas originally. And he requested that. And I was like, super cool. Let's do it. And then the entire time of making them, I'm singing deep in the heart of Texas. My husband was like, you need to stop. I'm like, how do you not think of that? When you see these, it's Texas in a heart, like, come on.

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Yep.

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Corny.

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One of my other favorites was the wizard holding the lantern.

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Yes. Those were super cool. And those were one of the first commissions that I got. And he's the owner of that van is always posting pictures of the van with the taillights and it's a beautiful van. He's done such a nice job with it. Those are definitely some favorites for sure. And in the, in the lanterns, there's arrows that point in either direction and orange. So like for lights. Yeah. Wow. Tiny details.

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That's so cool.

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Thank you.

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We have some stars.

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Lots of stars. I'm working on those now. We have a number.

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We have a number 75.

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That's not a taillight. That was a commission for a friend of mine's grandma who was turning 75.

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Okay.

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But it's similar shaped. Yeah. Yeah.

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Lotus.

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Lotus.

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Did I make Lotus taillights?

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Yeah, it was like a flat, it was a, it was pink and you said it was for a girl, but you were like, Oh,

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not a taillight though. Well, you're just talking about my work in general. I thought that was a taillight. Nope. Nope. That was for, um, so my husband's former business partner, he and his wife had a baby girl and that was a present for her.

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Okay.

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Obviously not for the baby, but for the baby's room. Right. Just put it right in her mouth. Glass or lead. No, no, no. Blue dots. You mentioned those already. Yep.

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Bricks.

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Yep. Just trying to come up with something a little bit more unique and using a whole bunch of red glass. Those I made with mostly scrap glass too, because I have, I am a scrap glass hoarder. It is bad.

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I bet you have

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a lot. And most of it's red.

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Yeah. I was going to, I'm going to ask you in a minute about the glass. Cause I do have questions about that. A Chevy symbol.

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Yep.

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Yep. And then the last one I saw is a 2%.

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Yes.

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I had to look it up. Do you know what it means? Probably.

SPEAKER_00: 47:27

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you want me to explain it?

SPEAKER_01: 47:30

Well, I wrote down actually what Google says. You can explain it. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00: 47:33

What does Google say? Because I've never Googled it. I'm curious.

SPEAKER_01: 47:37

Google says, those who bear this tattoo wear it with pride because it points to the victory in that person's life. Most who bear the mark of the 2% have survived a battle that many will not. The 2% is representative of the mere 2% of people who are statistically shown to have success in drug and alcohol treatment.

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Oh, that's not what it's about. Not for vans. And with it become like corporate sponsors, like tire sponsors and this and that came to vend at the show. They don't do that anymore, but they did for a brief period of time. And with those corporate sponsors and it becoming a little bit more mainstream, there were more rules that were associated like quiet hours at the events and no more like wet t-shirt contests and like all the wild parties and stuff. And there was a statistic that came out and I don't know where it came from. but that only 2% of Vanners were like the party animals. And it's just going to continue to this day. I'm sure people have different interpretations of it, like anything, but it's more of like, like a culture thing at this point where it's like, we're, you know, the hardcore banners that were in it. We're about it. We're here for other banners. We support each other. I am not a party animal. I'm kind of a loser, but like, I have a 2% sticker on my van. Like, cause it's not as much about that anymore as it is about like being a part of the family, you know? Right. Got it. Yep. Yep. That's very different. That's very different. That's why I was like, what does Google say? Cause I don't think that's something that Google is going to like pull up accurately yeah maybe if I had put van in there for sure yeah yeah

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what kind of glass are you using what kind of red glass

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so I use a lot of oceanside like cathedral transparent ruby and cherry and then the different textures within those you know like the rough roll the water glass those different things it's a like I'll get a darker piece of cherry or a lighter piece of ruby and there's not enough contrast between the two of them when you're trying to create like two different reds within it like sometimes I want them to be a little bit more different from each other which is hard um so mostly a lot of those two and then I just ordered some stuff from a woman On Facebook Marketplace, who I don't even know who makes this glass, but there's like a cranberry color that's kind of got rougher than a rough rolled. It's almost I want to say maybe like a granite texture to it. And then there's one that's got like red and kind of orange, like wispy, but it's mostly red. Yeah. pretty much any red glass I can find, whether it's like secondhand or like anytime I see red glass, I'm like, I'm going to buy it. I'm going to give it a shot. But mostly the ocean side stuff, because it's so transparent. It's so perfect. For white, I've got like a clear white wispy um because the transparency is super important um I used a lot of gray like the pale gray cathedral I'm pretty sure it's Oceanside um for like the background color and stuff because it's not distracting it still lets enough light through um but yeah I've got the Flemish red. So it's got that cool texture to it. So like the, the stars that I made recently that the whole thing is red, the stars themselves, one is rough rolled and one is Flemish. And then the background is all just flat, like transparent cathedral glass so that there's, you know, a little bit of variation between each of the pieces, but it's still all red. Cause that's kind of a challenge is like coming up with these compelling designs that are still functional as a tail It's art as well as I make automobile parts. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. Do you patina? Um, sometimes I do on my work that isn't taillights. And then when I do custom orders, I ask people if they would prefer them patina or if they would prefer them just the silver solder color. Most people tend to prefer just the silver because it works with chrome on vehicles. But I do my personal work, the stuff that isn't taillights. I do a lot of black patina because that's like tattoo lines to me.

SPEAKER_01: 52:43

Yeah. Do you sign your taillights?

SPEAKER_00: 52:49

No, and I've heard people talking about etching in the corner and all kinds of cool stuff. And I'm like, man, I should sign these. I should figure out a way. And I was thinking maybe, because they all get a cane border, maybe just in sharpie, but I don't know how well that would last. Yeah. I don't know. I should, but I don't. I've

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done both ways. Okay. They sell these etching pens on Amazon that are super affordable I want to say it's

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like,

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yeah. And I'll, I'll post a link also in the show notes. Actually Judith, Judith Schechter is the one who sent it to me. Cause I asked her what is like an affordable option for etching. Amazing. Yeah. She's amazing. She really is. So this is straight from Judith, this little etching pen. It's so easy to use and I'll post it. Yeah. So I've used that on glass and then, um, Previous to that, I will clean. Actually, what I do is after I patina everything, I use a piece of steel wool and I'll clear a little area on the back of the patina. So it's back to silver again. And then I'll write my name in Sharpie. And then I take like acrylic spray paint. So I make like an open little frame. So I cover the piece with like paper towel. And then there's like just like a little square around my name. And then I acrylic spray paint it. Yeah. Okay. There's like a million different ways to sign your pieces. That's just something that's worked for me.

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And I never, until listening to your podcast, I never even thought about signing my work. Cause I'm like, it's, it's stained glass. Like it's out there. It's everywhere. Like none of it's signed. And then I'm like, wait, like people are signing this stuff. Like all art should have a signature. Like that makes sense. So I should probably start doing that. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Everybody should. Everybody should. Right? Because someday I won't be here and my glass might. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 54:57

It will.

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Right?

SPEAKER_01: 54:58

It definitely will. Yeah. Okay. So what designs are you taking to Van Nationals? I know about the cowboy.

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The cowboy, the stars, the blue dots, um, roses, spider webs. I have a stack of patterns that I am hoping to get through. I'm trying to figure out which ones I want to do whenever I have downtime at the tattoo shop. Like I'm, I'm very, very fortunate to have an art nine to five job. Not that those were the hours, but like, you know, an art day job to where when I don't don't have appointments and I don't have walk-ins I can sit there and I can foil pieces I can make patterns on my iPad I can draw whatever like I'm allowed to do any other kind of art at work so I'm when I'm not working on tattoo related stuff I'm making patterns for glass so I have a stack of patterns it's a little little silly and I got a laminator so I keep them nice nice yeah it's so fancy such an upgrade um and that's again with the intention of making some of these more than once. And that way I'm not ruining my patterns or wasting paper, printing them a million times. Um, so yeah, the stars, the blue dots, spider webs, the cowboys, uh, roses for a bunch of different makes and models. I'm probably going to do 2% ones for a Two, not new, but two recently acquired makes and models that I haven't made anything for yet. So I got to get cracking on those and come up with some patterns. A whole bunch of stuff. I guess I should probably, when I'm getting ready to go post everything that's coming with me in one post, maybe. When I post when people want to buy them. So I'm like, and then I feel bad being like, they're not for sale yet. Like, wait.

SPEAKER_01: 56:53

Right. What's your custom order situation going to be? At Van Nationals.

SPEAKER_00: 57:00

So for custom orders, like not buying the ones that I'm selling. Yeah. So I have a wait list. Okay. It's crazy right now because I stopped taking custom orders right now while I'm focused on making enough inventory to bring with me. I have a list of people to both who can't go to Nationals to reach out to, to let them know what I have left, if I have anything left when I get home. Otherwise, they already We have a spot on the list for custom orders if they want something. And it's into November right now.

SPEAKER_01: 57:36

Can I make a suggestion? Go for it. Especially when you're in person and people are real hyped about what they're seeing in real life and they feel like real committed in that moment. You need to have maybe an iPad set up with one of those little swivel things. Create a page on your website where they can fill out the information right there. And you need to have a non-refundable deposit that they put down with their card information then

SPEAKER_00: 58:03

and there. I do. So I take a deposit of half of the cost. Okay. But I don't do that until they come up on the list because I've had this weird feeling about like, if my wait list is out till November and it's only April, I don't feel comfortable holding onto people's money for this long. Like not that I'm irresponsible by any means, but it just, it seems so weird to me. And then also trying to be sensitive to people's needs. Like the economy is weird and people's situations change. And I don't, I don't want to take money from someone, you know, six, eight months in advance. And then when the time comes for me to make it, they're like, oh, like, I can't, I can't do that. I guess I could hold their deposit until they're ready. I'm not

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talking about like 50%. I'm talking about like a$10 deposit. Oh,

SPEAKER_00: 58:55

yeah.

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Because

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you're

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going to make so much money just doing that. And then if you do end up making the piece, obviously, then you have all their information online. And you can be like that$10 can be applicable to Yeah,

SPEAKER_00: 59:08

the same thing with a tattoo deposit. Like I take a deposit for all my tattoos, and it comes off the price of the tattoo, but it's so that I know that you're serious. And I take the time to Yes. Also, another thing is that

SPEAKER_01: 59:32

somewhere on your booth, you need to have your QR code. Oh yeah. Just take out their smartphone and take a picture of it. It'll take you them right to your Instagram so they can just hit follow right there.

SPEAKER_00: 59:44

Yeah. Smart. Got it. Okay. I have a banner that I printed. That's got like taillights on it and my information. I have a, you know, the tent company, Easy Up, that makes those pop-ups. They'll custom print them for you. So I have one with like my name on it and like, and it's red, which is taillight color. So that makes sense. So people will see me. So everyone I've talked to that's going to Nats, I'm like, I'll be under a red tent. Like you'll, you'll see me. So yeah. Cool.

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That's fun.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:19

You also made, I've only seen one, but you made a porthole for your van. It was a pineapple.

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Yes. And that, so I made that before I learned how to do leaded glass. So that's copper foil. So it probably will not last. If and when I make another one, which I'm probably going to be making one here pretty soon for the camper that we just bought. My husband wants a porthole in it. I will do it in leaded glass because that has obviously way more longevity in it. The pineapple one has been in the van... over two years now, no issues. But there's a lot of logistics that go into those as well. Like you're cutting a hole in the side of your vehicle. The interior has to be built out. It can't just be like a metal frame of a van because that won't support the weight of it. So the interior in mine has all been upholstered. I did all that so that it's got enough structure to hold that. And the, I have to get the portholes themselves, which they're There is a person making them. She's amazing. She makes... She makes molded acrylic with heat and stuff. So she makes stuff that looks like the old portholes that they used to have in the 70s that no one else is making anymore. And she also does make the trim rings for them. So if I were to get more orders for them and the person couldn't provide me with an old trim ring, it's actually two rings. But if someone couldn't provide me with those from a junkyard, I could have her make them. They're There's pretty significant cost there, but if that's what they want, we can do it. Yeah. Figure it out. Cause it's, I have actually have one literally next to me right now. I was just measuring it to order seals, but it's two pieces and it fits inside. One piece fits inside the other one.

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It's so big.

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Yeah, they're huge. Yeah.

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Yeah. What's the estimate? Or do you know, just so that people that can't see it?

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The size on this? So I just measured it for a gasket and it was about 60 inches all the way around. I have a ruler right here. It's... A little over a foot wide. And... I'd say like probably almost 20 inches tall. They're big. Yeah. Which is also why they should be done in leaded glass and not copper foil. But I didn't know that when I made the first one, I was just like, I got a porthole. I'm going to make something. And it's held up. It's doing great. The only thing too, is I, they're aluminum, the frame of them and you cannot solder aluminum. It's not a thing. I tried. And when I tried the aluminum also, it has to be welded, but it re, Retains heat like crazy. And there's a tiny little heat crack in the porthole that I have. Super, super small. Been rolling with it for, like I said, over two years now. It hasn't gotten any worse because at that point I was like, I'm not taking this thing apart until it falls apart. Like it is in there. I'm done. So yeah, you cannot weld aluminum. So I used JB weld, which is that like essentially like epoxy stuff just on the corners of it. But it's, it's staying in there. Great. Yeah. That's so cool. I'd like to make more. I'm down. Let's do it.

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What are the plans for the, for the camper in terms of working on it? I know you just said you're going to put that in, but also do you have any specific travel

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:06

plans for it? So the camper, so the original plan was to just camp in the van when we go to van nationals in July. And my husband is six foot two. I've done plenty of camping in my vans. I have slept in them and Before I met him, no issues. But I'm 5'2", or 5'3", maybe. I'm a small person. So plenty of room for a small person. He's 6'2", and he's like, I don't want to sleep in a van for a week. I'm like, okay, well, if we buy a camper, we're not going to buy a new camper because we don't have new vehicles. So it would look silly towing it behind one of our classic vehicles, this brand new shiny camper. So we had been looking for vintage campers. And I told him, he keeps asking me, he's like, do you like this one do you like this one and I said dude I do not have the time to help you right now I have so much going on with the glass and then tattooing I am capable of getting out there with power tools and doing the work with him but I just don't have the time before July so I said whatever you buy you or whatever we buy you you have to do this so I am not giving you my opinion I'm not making a I want this this this and this list because I can't help you and I feel wrong you know, having demands about something that I can't put in any work on. Um, so he's, we bought a 1951 camper and when he got into it yesterday, we just bought it on Sunday and, uh, he said, Oh my God, the can of worms that I have opened, he's got it all like taken apart, like the shells partially off of it. Like he's going crazy. Um, and it's, we're going to make taillights for it. I'm going to make a porthole window for it. But other than that, I'll probably end up making curtains and like doing some of the like upholstery type stuff for it and some sewing and some decorating, but I, whatever he wants to do in there, cause I can't help him. So yeah, It's going to have a bed, a sink, a little kitchen area. I'd like a toilet. Just be nice to be able to pee. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And we'll hopefully go camping other places other than just Colorado this summer, especially because we're investing so much into this trailer. We'll see what the future holds. We both like that kind of stuff. So we will definitely use it. And if we won't, it is increasing in value by the moment, the work that we He's getting into it. So we'll just sell it, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Who

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knows? You also sell parts sometimes on your Instagram. Yeah. Are those just from your personal projects or is that like also a side hustle?

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:49

It was a little bit more of a side hustle before. I wish I had the time to go to junkyards and collect parts enough to make it more of a side hustle, especially because Arizona has really good junkyards. yards because we don't have rust because it doesn't rain here it doesn't snow well it seldomly rains it seldomly snows we don't use salt on our roads so everything kind of stays a little bit nicer here um i mostly just collect them when i see them i have the most random stuff around my house between my husband and i the parts collection is insane yeah

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:32

You also posted that you love using in and out trays for glass sorting. And I thought this was interesting because they're red. And I was like, but she's using red glass. Isn't that kind of hard to see?

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:41

It's mostly just to move. Like, so when I take pieces to the shop, to the tattoo shop, to foil, it's a convenient, easy to carry, like little tray that I can bring them to and from work in. A lot of my scrap glass is sorted in them. So I've got like, They're all like in the desk underneath me. There's probably like 10 different trays and they're organized by color. And those are pieces that are big enough to use in stained glass at some point. And then I've got the itty bitty pieces for mosaics that I don't enjoy making. So I'll probably never use and I need to get rid of all this glass, but I don't want to. But yeah, it just helps me keep different projects organized when I'm working on more than one thing at a time. And when I label the pieces, like as I'm cutting them or before I cut them, when I'm marking them out, a label like passenger or driver. So they'll either have a P or a D on them, depending on which side. And then if I'm working on more than one make and model at the same time, it'll have like a C for Chevy, a D for Dodge, an F for Ford. If it's a specific year and I'm working on two of the same make, but different years, I'll put the year on the pieces of them, marking them out. So the red trays don't really interfere with the color of the glass for me because they're all marked and they're separated by which project. Got it. Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah. And they're really inexpensive. Those trays, they're like two bucks a piece. So it's much cheaper than buying like Sterilite, whatever plastic totes and stuff. Like they're super cheap. And it's In-N-Out. Like who doesn't love In-N-Out? Wait, you bought, I

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thought you stole

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them. Well, the first one I got, you can buy them. I buy them from their website. I don't steal them. But the first one was given to me with paint in it from another artist. And I started using it when I started doing glass. And I was like, I love this. This is perfect. Where did this come from? Like, why does this look so familiar to me? And my roommate at the time was like, that's from In-N-Out. And I was like, oh shit. So I went to In-N-Out because I lived in California and they were like, we don't sell them here, but we sell them on our website. So I went on their website and I probably could have stolen some, but I didn't. I did the right thing. I went on their website and I ordered some and I have a whole bunch of them now and I love them. I

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love that. I mean, I wasn't judging. I was like, they have extras. It's

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okay. She makes illegal glass pieces. She's still a rebel. I

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was like, they get thrown away probably all the time anyway. So

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probably you can buy them.

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Okay. You also said my home studio is 100% solar powered and the packing material, material and boxes I ship with are all reused.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:30

Yes, ma'am. Saving the planet. Yes. Tell us more about that. We have solar on our house, which just makes sense when you get as much sun as we do. It's great. It also... Solar is... a very smart investment. If, you know, if you go with the right system, I'm sure there's, there's people who disagree, maybe a hot take, but our electric bill, electric bills change over time. Electric company adds different things, blah, blah, blah, different fees. Our electric bill will stay the same because we're just paying off solar panels. So our, it's going to be the same price for the next like 10 years, no matter how much we use, we can run our air conditioner like crazy. Like there's, it, it's very, very smart financially. I think it was for us And also it's, there's all this sun. We're in Arizona. Like it just makes sense. The packing materials, every time I get something, boxes get stored. It's a little, I had to organize it the other day. It's a little crazy. Thank my husband for being so supportive of my crazy because the packing material stuff gets a little out of control. Anything with peanuts, bubble wrap. I've got like trash bags full of packing peanuts, bubble wrap. Anytime I order glass, all the material that it comes packed in. So I haven't bought packing material in a long time. And I'm shipping at least like one to two sets of tail lights out a month, sometimes other small stuff. And I'm reusing everything I possibly can. Yeah. My tattooing is not green at all. There's so much single use plastic. It is horrible, but it has to be because it's, it's almost like being in a doctor's office where there's blood. So everything has to be thrown away. Nothing can be reused. So being able to kind of offset that when in my glass work makes me feel a little bit better because we got to take care of the planet, you know?

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:26

Yeah. It takes care of us. Absolutely. Yeah. You also built a greenhouse. And now this was all the way back in March of 2020 when you started posting about it. But what's going on with that now?

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:41

So it's back there. It's wonderful. It grows me mostly peppers. Peppers tend to do the best. A greenhouse in Arizona, they get really, really, really hot. So it's got shade cloth over the top of it. Like French, the roof is made of French doors. My husband built it. He's amazing. I helped a little, but I didn't do nearly as much as he did. But all the windows are antique windows that we got at a building supply place here in town. And the top has curtains hung in the inside of the French doors and then a shade cloth over the whole top of it to try and make it a little bit cooler. I also have a humidifier in there all summer long that I'm filling and making sure that the humidity stays somewhat decent because it's It's very, very dry here, but I grow a lot of peppers. I've got, um, zucchinis, cucumbers, strawberries, a lot of just like pretty plants too. Like a lot of succulents and stuff that are hanging from the top to kind of help with some of that sunlight coming in. Um, yeah, I, I had told, I love plants. I have a lot of plants and I had told my husband that I was going to get one of those like plastic, like pop-up greenhouses. And he was like, you're not putting that in my yard. We're going to build you a greenhouse. That was like, okay. And then we collected all of these materials and we're both very busy. So it was like, when are we ever going to use this stuff? Like I got this pile of windows in my backyard and then the pandemic happened and we had to take two months off of work. The shop was closed. So I was like, but Home Depot was still open and Lowe's was still open and all the building supply places. So it was kind of a blessing in disguise for us that we finally had time to work on this. And he built me this amazing greenhouse. I've put a handful of stained glass pieces in the windows. Pretty much anytime a window breaks, I'm replacing it with stained glass. I would love to have Nealey Cooper's glass cabin in my backyard someday. That would be amazing. But mostly also for the one side that gets the most light, the southwest side there, it cuts down on some of the UV rays that come in. If you use more like opaque glasses and stuff so I yeah it's got some stained glass in it but mostly just plants

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it's gorgeous will you do me a favor the day that your episode is released will you post a picture of your greenhouse even if it's just in your stories so that we can see it yeah for sure I want to see it more I want to

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see it yeah yeah we'll do I kind of I I was posting a lot about it because we were like working on it and then every time I put a new window in it I post about it but then I'm kind of like people are know about this it's old news like I don't know social media

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:38

yeah I know I get it okay I just I want to circle back and talk about the tattoos just real quick because I do I saw something that I wanted to talk about with you um so back in August of 2020 you posted a very beautiful very realistic nipple yeah and it said the nipples are free and cover-ups are discounted the This is for, and then this is just, this is my two cents in it. This is for areola reconstruction for women who have had a mastectomy after having breast cancer.

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Yeah, which I... I mean, I guess it's a good thing that that's not something I'm doing all the time. But

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yeah,

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if someone out there needs, you know, their nipples made look real again, whether it be mastectomies or even like top surgery or any of those things, like if a trans person wants them, I can do them. And I do them for free. I really haven't had a lot of opportunity to do them. But that's a good thing. We don't want a lot of people who need to have that surgery. We don't want a lot of people that have breast cancer. That sucks. I'm happy that I'm not doing a lot of them. But yeah, I can do them for free. The ones that I was doing were to practice them. And that's why I was saying the cover-ups would be discounted because not everybody wants to walk around with a nipple tattoo. A lot of people that I did them on have kept them and love them and think it's hilarious. um the the response to those was really interesting. Like some people were like, why are you doing that? That's stupid. And I'm like, okay, you don't get it. Like, that's cool. Like, yeah. And that having nipples is kind

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of stupid too.

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But we all have them. Yes. Yeah. It was clearly, I think some people who didn't read it all the way through and just looked at the picture and were like, why would someone want that as a tattoo? And it's like, not that people want that as a tattoo. Some people need that. Like that, that could make some when self-esteem come, you know, full, like full swing, you know, like you need, need to feel good about your body, which all kinds of tattoos can do. But that one in particular, it's nice to be able to do that.

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Yes. Yeah. Do you have a personal connection with breast cancer? Is that how you came to start it? No,

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no, no. Just kindness. Yeah. And I, I, I love that as a tattoo or you can, help someone feel better about their body. Like that to me is so cool. Like I can make something beautiful on a piece of your body that you maybe weren't in love with before. And then all of a sudden you are like, that's such an amazing thing to be able to do for people. You can tattoo over scars, over stretch marks. Like there's, I had stretch marks. They're tattooed over now. The moment that that tattoo was done, it was like, I don't have stretch marks anymore. That's so cool. So like just being able to, to help people with their self-esteem in that way is, And I'm just a tattooer. Like, who am I? You know, so that it's very cool to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:55

Yeah. That is very cool. That's really cool.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:58

You did a couple of practice nipples on like an apprentice at the shop. Yeah. Yeah. Did they cover up?

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:06

I did end up covering his with a flower and a Wu-Tang W. So yeah, it is covered.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:15

Amazing. Okay. Are you ready for your final three Yeah,

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let's do it.

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Who is your favorite, your personal favorite stained glass artist?

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Can I name more than one? Yes. I have a list. It's not long. Heather Dawn, who's at Heather Dawn Glassworks, obviously being a tattooer, her work, I love it so much. And I've talked to her a little bit and she's super, super sweet, super sweet. And she's in Phoenix. So we need to like get together at some point because she's real close to me. So Heather Dawn, there is an artist named Carrie Gray so it's at color.glass.light and she does leaded glass and it's very geometric and a lot of like rondelles and circles and her work is just it's nothing like what I do and it's so perfect and beautiful and I love it um and then there's a guy named Zach Napziger I might be pronouncing his last name wrong but it's at ZN stained glass and he does this stuff that's like like continuous line drawings and makes them into stained glass and it's just mind blowing when I see his stuff. Like again, the stuff that there's, I couldn't make that. Like I can't do that. So I find it like, Whoa, blows my mind. Those are my, my three favorites right now.

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I think he recently like put up some patterns for free. Oh, okay.

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I'll have to check that out. Yeah. Good stuff. There's so many though. There's so many awesome glass artists out there. Like I feel like every day on Instagram, I'm like, Oh, there's another person making cool stuff. Like it's, It's awesome. So cool. Keep it up. Yes. Keep

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it

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up.

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I will be making this podcast on my deathbed to the very last dying day being like, I did not get to so-and-so yet. I'll be listening. Who is your other favorite artists other than stained glass?

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Um, So in terms of on Instagram, there's a mosaic artist that I follow that. So with all my scrap glass, I tried to make mosaics and I tried to make mosaics after looking at this woman's work and I can't, I cannot do what she does. So I never want to do it again. Like it was like that. I'm like, I want them to look like hers. They're so perfect. And mine looked like a five-year-old made them, which was my first time, but I'll probably never try it again. Connie Vedder Johnson and her Instagram. Instagram is at sharp, S-H-A-R-P, art, A-R-T, Kelona. I'm probably saying that wrong. K-E-L-O-W-N-A. And she does like portraiture in mosaics and just, it's insane. Like, oh, I want those skills. So good. And then, Like Diego Rivera is probably one of my favorite painters. Philip Guston. I really like his work. Peter Max, who's like the hippie to be like super pop art kind of stuff. Yeah, I think those are my three favorite painters. I could probably talk about tattooers forever, but I don't know that people who listen to this want to hear it. Lots of good tattooers out there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:59

Do you want to mention at least one?

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:02

Um, oh, I can't think of just one. I can't. My coworker, Jamie Lee Ulmer, she's, she does like photo, she does photorealism. So she basically can recreate any photo of anything in a tattoo. And she does tattoos that people who don't like tattoos love, because they're just so insanely beautiful. She's so talented. And I've learned a lot from her in terms of like bedside manner and how to treat your customers and stuff. So she's just a huge inspiration to me. So Jamie, if you listen to this, I love you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:37

We love you, Jamie. What are your five to 10 year goals? I got a list of those too.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:46

Um, So one of the things that we talked about is putting more stained glass in my greenhouse. So it looks like Nealey Cooper's glass cabin. It's my inspiration there. I'd like a bigger studio someday. This is the one I'm working in. It's probably like a little over a hundred square feet. So it's pretty small. I'm able to work in it, but I'd like a big studio so I can work on big things. And I think like you'd said before, in other episodes, everyone who does small things wants to make big things. And everyone who does big things wants to make small things. So I'd like to do more leaded glass. I'd like to do more big windows. I'd like the space to do those in. I'd like a kiln. I'd like to learn to paint glass. I think that that would be really, really cool. And to be able to add another dimension into the work. I think that would be really, really fun. Yeah. to keep doing what I'm doing to have continued success with that. I know, you know, there's only going to be so many people with vans and trucks and classic cars. And at some point that might not be a sustainable business, but I'd love it if it is, that would be awesome. Um, it's really fun being able to be a part of people's vehicle builds because some people really go over the top with these things and I get to be a part of that. Like that's very, very cool to me. So I, hope that that continues. I don't know if that's an appropriate five to 10 year goal, but I'd really like to keep doing what I'm

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doing.

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Um, keep learning, keep growing, you know, that kind of stuff. And I have a truck that I want to finish building that I don't have time to build right now. It's a 1975 Chevy love and it's yellow. It's a mini truck and it's so cute. And I just want to finish it or even start it. It's just sitting in my yard in pieces. So yeah, I want to build my truck. Those are my goals. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's it. That's all I wrote down.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:47

For the glass painting, Derek Hunt. I follow him. Yes. He's doing online classes soon. He hasn't released them yet. I need a kiln.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:56

Yeah. I need a kiln. And I need a bigger studio for a kiln.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:00

You can get like a mini kiln. Like they make small ones okay I'll have to look into it because I want one I've seen like hobby kilns that are like pretty tiny

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and that you can use them to paint glass I didn't know if they like I also need to learn more about kilns because I know fusing glass is one thing painting on glass is another thing like there's different there's a lot to learn there there's a lot to unpack so I that's when I have downtime I don't know when that will be um which is a great problem to have um but I yeah I want to learn more about painting on glass and kilns in general. That's that'd be very cool. Yeah. But I love him. He's such a, like a fun personality too. I don't know. He seems like someone I'd want to be homies with in real life.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:46

I know me too. I like him a lot.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:50

Lindsay, where can we find you? It's at Lindsay Wonder. And what's your website? Lindsaywonder.com. Lindsaywonder.com. And I hope that when you go to Van Nationals in July, you are the bell of the ball. I want you to shut it down. You're going to get so many deposits. You're going to get so many new customers and you're going to sell everything. And they're going to beg you. They're going to pay you to come back next year. I

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:15

love that, but I'm also scared of it. A lot of stuff.

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but maybe you need to hire somebody to help you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:24

My husband's coming. He's, he's my helper. At some point I, I don't know. How do you hire someone? Like, how do you, I

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:33

don't know. Well, I mean, there's, there's stained glass supply. I'm sure there's a place in Tucson, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:39

Yeah.

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So you can like go through them, be like, Hey, cause I'm sure they're teaching classes.

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They are. And, and the woman who owns the shop is like amazing. I love it. I love her. She deserves a shout out to Estelle at Tucson stained glass. Anytime I have a question about something like technically, or just need another person to like bounce something off of, she has been the most helpful human being since I moved to Tucson. I am so grateful for that woman. And I think she's going to listen to this. So I hope she hears this. She was like, tell me when the podcast comes on, I'm going to post about it. She's like the kindest human being. So yeah, I could probably ask her if she knows of anyone who's capable of helping me with some of the stuff. Yeah. That's probably a good idea. Yeah. Like, how do you hire, how do you hire someone to do something that's like you're like, your love and your, you know what I mean? Like I like touching the stuff. I like doing it. Like, how can I farm that out? Like that's weird to me, but I guess it might have to be possible someday. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:44

It's a bit, it's, it's starting to be a bit, a real business. And I think that you can cherry pick the parts that you feel the most connected to. Like, if you're like, you know what? I cut the glass. I design it. Obviously you can copper foil, but there's not a whole lot of like creative juices flowing when you're just like wrapping all those little pieces of glass.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:03

Yep. Someone can cut gaskets for me. Yep. Gaskets are stupid, but they're necessary.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:11

Yeah. Have them do all the like the stupid, stupid, but necessary jobs.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:15

True. Okay, cool. Okay. Yeah, that's a good thought. Thank you.

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Estelle's going to help you. She

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is. She does with everything. She's an angel.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:22

My last question is, do you have any t-shirts left?

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:27

I have... One men's extra large. But I think I'm probably going to have more printed before Van Nats. So I can send you one.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:37

Yeah. I'll pay for it. But will you let me know? Yeah, for sure. For sure. Absolutely. Okay. You're the best.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:44

Thank you. You're the best. Thanks so much for coming on my podcast. Yeah. Thanks for having a podcast.

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Have a wonderful and productive day in the studio today. And I will talk to you soon. Thank you. You as well. Bye. Bye. To see more of Lindsay's work, her Instagram is at Lindsay Wonder. That's L-I-N-D-S-E-Y-W-O-N-D-E-R. And mine is at Runa Glassworks. For the Patreon page, Lindsay is gifting one of her sets of stained glass dice to hang in your rear view mirror. They measure about three and a half by two inches. So they're really the perfect size, not too big, like classic fuzzy dice, but not And I'm speaking from experience because mine are hanging in my truck as we speak, and I love them so much. I'll be doing a drawing for those on Instagram 12 days after this episode is released. So that'll be July 16th, 2023. Next week, I'm headed north to Cincinnati, Ohio, where I'm chatting with Jacob Hennenkamp from Hennenkamp Glass Crafters. He's going to give us the ins and outs of his experience as being a licensed artist for the Charlie Harper Studio, as well as discussing his take on inside angle cuts and his designing patterns and his experience designing patterns. Thank you for listening. Bye.