Cracked with Chevonne Ariss
“Cracked with Chevonne Ariss” is a stained glass podcast that takes a deep dive with today’s biggest names from around the world in modern stained glass. Artists have a frank and honest conversation with Chevonne about their style, legacy, their losses and wins, their journey into becoming a small business owner and how they didn’t lose their minds getting there. Season 5 coming soon!
Cracked with Chevonne Ariss
To Be Or Not To Be, That Is David's Question with David Scheid
Today on Cracked I'm joined by LA artist David Scheid. David is a stained glass artist whose work is inspired by the light and landscapes of California. He spends most of my time on the road as a tour manager for bands including Girl Talk, Beirut, and Dinosaur Jr. and when at home he builds colorful, geometric stained glass pieces and custom windows. His work has been installed in houses, gardens and shops throughout the West Coast and greater United States.
Today we’re going to discuss the eternal question of what it is we’re meant to be doing professionally, an honest look at what working during the pandemic looked like and finding extraordinary inspiration and imagery in the everyday moments around us.
To see more of David’s work is Instagram is @davidscheidstainedglass and his website is davidscheidstainedglass.com.
For the Cracked Patreon page members, David has made us a studio playlist, made up of all the artists that he has tour managed for. The link to that is always at the bottom of the show notes!
Honorable mentions from this episode:
Pasadena Stained Glass Supply
pasadenastainedglass.com
Echo Park Craft Fair
@echoparkcraftfair
The Mushroom House in Cincinnati
atlasobscura.com
Peter Esimen - architect
eisenmanarchitects.com
Favorite artists:
Sara Strickler
@_sarastrickler_
Sara's ep. of Cracked:
runaglassworks.com/podcast
Ben Houtkamp - Ben's Website
@bens.website
Ben's ep. of Cracked:
runaglassworks.com/podcast
Tauba Auerbach
taubaauerbach.com
The Professional Trade Association for Architectural Art Glass
Canfield Technologies
Canfield sets the standard for the Stained Glass industry.
Bullseye Glass
~ handcast glass since 1974 ~
Paul Wissmach Glass Co.
Your Source of Colored Sheet Glass
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SPEAKER_02:friends and welcome back to Cracked with Siobhan Aris. Before we get started with today's chat, I'd love to thank the sponsors who make Cracked possible. First up is Bullseye Glass. Bullseye Glass is a leader in promoting glass art worldwide through quality production of colored glass for art and architecture, research, education, and the presentation of innovative glass art in our fine arts gallery. Check out their site bullseyeglass.com for a vast selection of glass colors. Fast and easy shipping, volume discounts available since 1974, handmade in the USA, all the good stuff. BullseyeGlass.com A very special thank you to the Stained Glass Association of America for their continued support of craft. Learn more about this incredible organization at StainedGlass.org. I'm also grateful for the support from the Paul Wismach Glass Company. Ever wonder how Wismach develops its distinct palette of colors? Recipes over a century old of chemicals and compounds mixed with limestone, soda, ash, and sand are heated to 2200 degrees Fahrenheit in one of their 13 fire brick furnaces. Unique blends of two to five colors with varying degrees of transparency are mixed by hand before being rolled out and annealed. The new owners of Wismac are excited to provide these same high quality products that artists know and love. Learn more about Wismac art and kiln glass by visiting their website, wismacglass.com, by following them on Instagram at Wismac underscore And finally, I'd also like to thank Canfield Technologies. No one else in the industry has a better brand following. Find out why at canfieldmetals.com. Today on Cracked, I'm joined by LA artist David Scheid. David is a stained glass artist whose work is inspired by the light and landscapes of California. He spends most of his time on the road as a tour manager for Canfield. for bands like Girl Talk, Beirut, and Dinosaur Jr. And when at home, he builds colorful, geometric stained glass pieces and custom windows. His work has been installed in houses, gardens, and shops throughout the West Coast and greater United States. Today, we're going to discuss the eternal question of what it is we're meant to be doing professionally, an honest look at what working during the pandemic looked like, and finding extraordinary inspiration and imagery in the everyday moments around us. Let's get into it. Join me. as I crack it all wide open. Hi, David Scheid.
SPEAKER_00:Hi.
SPEAKER_02:How are you?
SPEAKER_00:Pretty good. Yeah, just pretty crazy right now. I have like a pinched nerve and I have to have like two discs replaced on Wednesday. And then I have to leave on tour on Sunday. I just installed the stained glass window yesterday and the client, I was supposed to paint the door. It was brand new. And then she changed her mind. She wants to stain it. I got to go do that. And then I have like another window that I just started cutting a glass for today that I'm hoping to get made before I get my surgery done. Oh
SPEAKER_01:my
SPEAKER_00:gosh. Yeah, it's crazy. And I just took the train to Seattle with my wife and three-year-old over Memorial Day and then flew home luckily and saw some friends up there.
SPEAKER_02:What happened to your neck? How did that come about? All that?
SPEAKER_00:It's like kind of like had like the pinched nerve for like a year, like on and off. But like over the last like five months, it's gotten worse. And then like the doctor was just sort of like, oh, yeah, like everybody kind of has this disc issue. But let's see if it gets better with physical therapy and the chiropractor and stuff. And it didn't. And then I went to like an orthopedic doctor and they were like, like, yeah, you probably should get those discs replaced. Like I can't, that's like as far, that's like as far as I can turn my head that way. And like, that's as far as I can look up. And that kind of, that kind of just started happening. Maybe like, um, you know, I don't know. It started, just started, it happens gradually. And I first kind of noticed it like maybe like two months ago or something so but apparently apparently the surgery is like you know like i go in in the morning and i'm like you know maybe i have to stay overnight but like probably get released in the afternoon and like you know the one of the nurses or this doctor had it and she was like yeah i um got it on a friday and i was back to work by tuesday and not and i like sort of like oh capitalism sucks so That's wild. So
SPEAKER_02:they actually replaced the entire disc?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's like a metal at the top and the bottom kind of like attached to the bottom of the top vertebrae and the top of the bottom one. And then there's like a little, I don't know what it's made out of, but some sort of little soft like thing in the middle. And it's better than what they're like, you know, like up until like two years ago, they would have like fused the vertebrae. And apparently like you can have like pretty limited range of motion with that. So this is like a new thing. that I feel very grateful I can have.
SPEAKER_02:I have this thing called occipital neuralgia.
SPEAKER_00:They
SPEAKER_02:give me like an injection in the, like in the back of my head. Did you have nerve pain? Like, was it shooting up your head or is it in your neck only?
SPEAKER_00:It's not even in my neck. It's just like my neck, this, like my shoulder here is sort of stiff. My pain is like, like I came back from tour last summer and I was like, oh, I think I have carpal tunnel. you know, like my fingers would go numb occasionally and stuff. And, and it sort of like feels like, like right here, it's pretty bad, like right now, but like, it just sort of feels like I have a, um, like almost like a bruise. So it's just all radiating down my arm. And then when I look at someone finally showed me like a diagram of like the nerves, the system, the nervous system, I was like, Oh yeah, it just follows the path of this radial nerve. It's called, that goes along the outside of your arm and over like the top of your top your hand and that's so that's where all my pain is and I learned something interesting that like nerves actually like don't feel pain you know so like the nerve is being pinched up here but like so you don't feel any pain there because like the nerves themselves don't feel pain it's like where they're being hurt you know or whatever like they're just like feels like pins and needles sometimes it feels like burning but I made my wife go with me to this orthopedic guy because I was like afraid he was gonna say oh yeah let's keep like giving another like three weeks with the physical therapy and like you know and I was just like no I just want to really be like look I did that stuff it's not getting better you know like because it's hard to advocate for yourself sometimes you know and like figure you know and because then they're like you know I don't know I bet you've had this they're like oh what's the scale of pain on a one to ten and I'm just like I don't know really you know like what that scale is and not like the toughest person but I'm just trying you know but like I'm like well I don't know maybe yeah my arm is like fully numb right now but I guess it's like a four you know or something like
SPEAKER_02:right
SPEAKER_00:when maybe somebody else would be like that's a freaking 10 you can't feel your arm you know it's kind of crazy
SPEAKER_02:yeah that is kind of like a weird scale it is it's all very like relative to the person I also had to fill out that yesterday when I went to the doctor and I was like I don't know I mean I gave birth yeah I think
SPEAKER_00:is that a 10 oh oh yeah easy I mean I don't know you know especially depending on how you did it you know but I yeah no it's like the same it's like the question when I do you drink how much and I'm like well I'm not an alcoholic but like some weeks I have like five drinks a week some I have none you know like you know it's like that's a crazy that's a stupid question I hate that yeah well but thank you for including me in this and thanks for chasing me down come like keeping up the interest I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_02:I'm I'm I am very interested. I would like to talk to you about some glass stuff. Let's start with you're joining me from Los Angeles, East Los Angeles. Are you from are you born and raised L.A.?
SPEAKER_00:No, I grew up in Cleveland, California. And lived there until I was 18. And then I moved to Cincinnati when I went to school there. And then I stuck around for a couple years. And then I moved to New York. And then I lived there for like four or five years. And then I moved here in 2005. And then like in 2012, I left for one year. When I started dating my wife, she lived in Chicago, and I thought I could live in Chicago because I grew up in Cleveland. And it was like the coldest winter on record that year, you know, and I was like, I want to go back to California. Yeah. So yeah, so I've been here about basically 18 years. or something. And we've been in this place for like eight years.
SPEAKER_02:Very cool. What part of town are you in right now?
SPEAKER_00:Eagle Rock. It's like kind of like the northeastern most neighborhood here, right next to Pasadena. So I don't really go anywhere in LA. I only go to Pasadena for like, doctors, Target, whatever, you know, all that stuff that way. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I love Pasadena.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. It's the best. Where do you live?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I'm in limbo right now. I actually used to live in Eagle Rock. Um, I'm in Austin. Yeah. I lived in Colorado Boulevard, which is like, no, sorry. I lived on Hill, which is like runs parallel with Colorado. I
SPEAKER_00:mean, I live like on, I live on Las Flores, which is right off of Eagle Vista, right in between Hill and Colorado.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So I, I basically lived sort of towards the, like, you know, know east end of hill is like where you know my zone is that's cool
SPEAKER_02:but i will say that it is like bananas at halloween with all the trick-or-treaters
SPEAKER_00:Big time. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it's like definitely like a bonus that we didn't know when we bought this place or, you know, and then didn't have any kids. And now we're like, great. This will be like the first year I'll be really into like trick or treating. And so.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It'll be fun.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. We only lived on, on that street in that house for one year. We were moving to Portland. We sold our house. We lived in Highland park. We sold that house. But we weren't ready to leave yet. We're like, let's rent for one year before we go. And so we rented that house on Hill. And when we moved in, the agent that was helping us was like, just so you know, you have to kind of commit to Halloween if you live here. And we're like, that's weird, but okay, we're down. And then every neighbor that we ran into or met were like, do you guys know about Halloween? And we were like, all right, this is definitely a thing that was always what they led with. And so... On Halloween, we had a huge Halloween party. We had like prizes for costumes. And it was also like one of my girlfriend's birthdays. We had like a slash birthday party for her. And we had like people like on constant rotation on the front porch for the trick-or-treaters. There was always a line from like the front door all the way to the street. And I think so in order to come to the Halloween party, the only thing that we asked of our guests is that they bring a bag of candy. And so when people started coming, we were like, we're never going to get through all of this candy. Like we had like a huge mound of candy and like halfway through the night, my husband had to like leave, like get through the streets on his motorcycle would like to go on like a candy run. And our neighbors had like a counter. Like counting trick or treaters. And I want to say it was around like sixteen hundred.
SPEAKER_00:crazy that's so crazy i mean i don't know that seems a little too intense for me
SPEAKER_02:it was intense it was intense it made sense that everybody was like are you you guys are good with Halloween right like you're you're into it uh but it was the best Halloween of my entire
SPEAKER_00:life oh that's cool yeah okay that's very cool that you appreciate it like that I don't really care about it one way or the other although I do find myself like getting more into it with my kids but um Cause like when we bought this place, I was like, I was like, I know it definitely was like, Oh, we have to have candy or whatever for Halloween. And like, but no one, like literally no one, you know, obviously it comes down our street. Cause everybody's just going up there, I guess, you know, now I know, but like, I was like, man, I can't believe one, not one kid came by, you know? Yeah. That sounds wild. I had no idea. 1600 people.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. We had like smoke machines and like skeletons crawling all over the house, like lives size skeletons crawling all over the house. And
SPEAKER_00:I mean, that was one thing we did, like we would do last year. Like he was very into the decorations and like we would go up there and, and go, you know, like it's such a great thing to be able to kill like an hour after dinner or something, like go up and check out the decorations. And he was like, fine to like go to the same houses over and over again. And now you're living, you're living Austin, but you're moving again.
SPEAKER_02:We're moving back to Portland, Oregon, actually.
SPEAKER_00:Austin seems crazy. I was just telling someone the other day from what I've read. I was like, man, I have no interest in going back there. I don't know. It just seems very hectic now compared to how it used to be.
SPEAKER_02:That's so interesting to hear you say coming from living in L.A., which I feel like is considered like the most hectic.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean, I hate it here, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02:You do. I
SPEAKER_00:mean, I don't hate it, but I don't you know, it's like, why are we living here? We don't you know, like it's like so hard to get to the beach or I mean, it's great. You know, like, I don't know. It's just sort of like it's it's hectic. It's hard. There's things that make it hard to live here. But and so why are we doing it if we don't really like we can live anywhere and keep kind of keep the same lifestyle essentially you know yeah like my life kind of revolves around my kid now so um which i don't mind you know and uh and my wife can work anywhere and you know it's like we don't have family here like yeah there's just not a lot of stuff to tie us here
SPEAKER_02:What does she do?
SPEAKER_00:So she's a music supervisor for advertising. So she used to work for like, she did like all the iPhone stuff for a long time. You know, she has her own company. Just like placing songs and ads.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, cool. Very cool.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, it's a cool job. So she can work anywhere. And... Yeah. I mean, I guess like, I do think of just kind of about stained glass. Like I do wonder sometimes, you know, like whether, you know, it is like the other, the other thing about being here is people have money, you know? So they're like willing to, uh, you know, yeah, like hire me to make stained glass windows for them.
SPEAKER_02:Not only do people have money there, but they're like creatives who have money.
SPEAKER_00:Totally. Yeah, totally. Where it's like, you know, like when I think about moving to Chicago or like, you know, we're always like sort of fantasizing about moving to like the suburbs of Chicago, like Evanston or Wilmette, like north of the city and right near the lake where there's like kind of like relatively cheap big houses that have like good schools. And we have friends there And, but I'm always sort of like, oh, would five or six people a year pay me like a few thousand dollars to like make stained glass windows for their house, you know, or something. And I don't know if they would
SPEAKER_02:or not. Or, or you would end up keeping like your momentum with the clientele in Los Angeles and you would just have to come back for installations.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, totally. Or I mean, like, you know, like, I mean, I made a window for a house in Austin last year, that I've never seen, like, since I shipped it off, like an architect hired me. And for like, some giant house, like right on the river that like, I saw, you know, I got the address, I didn't really get many details of it, but they had torn down, like, they'd torn down some like, like, I found a listing for it, you know, the old and I was like, Oh, this house is like, pretty hideous, you know, there's no way that these people that hired this particular architect are keeping anything about this house. So I'm just assuming they tore the whole thing down and built a new one. And yeah, I just sent the windows off. And then... Never heard about, you know, I was like, kind of like, dang, hope they fit. And it was kind of for like a couple of weeks after they had like the shipper came and picked them up. I was like nervous. And then I just kind of realized I forgot about it. And I just like never heard. I've asked for photos a couple of times and, you know, never gotten them. So I have no idea what it looks like or anything. You need me to go
SPEAKER_02:knock on some doors and be like, hey, what's up? Can I come in? Can I see?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, I'll see if I can find the address. Maybe it's worth doing a drive-by at least, but I would guess that you couldn't see the door and that there's like some sort of gate just based on how big it was. I
SPEAKER_02:legit will go ring the buzzer at the gate and be like, hi, my name's Siobhan. I host a little podcast. You've probably heard of it. It's called Craft. When looking at your work, You have a knack for two things that I'm super duper impressed with. The first is your choices of color. Now there's lots of artists out there who use bright colors, but yours truly, they do. They just like, they hit different. It's one of those inexplainable things where maybe to someone who has gone to art school and has done extensive study in color theory would be able to articulate and know the right vocabulary for why your color choices are just better. I mean, completely superior to us color plebes but your work sucks me in and puts like a feeling in my body it makes me want to like stretch and grind my teeth at the same time. I really like it. It's a good feeling. So I want to talk about that. The second thing that stands out to me about you is your ability to make the ordinary extraordinary. And I have a few examples of this to point out today, but the first one is a piece you made. It's the very first one on your site under residential work. You write, It's remarkable. It's exactly that. It's a still life of a window with a plant in front, some of your stained glass pieces hanging in the window, a lamp and the fence behind it. And it's just how things were there. And you picked up on the beauty of it and you immortalized it, that little view and that little moment in time. Well, little in comparison to all of the moments, I suppose. You immortalized it all into another panel in this very meta way and I just love it it's my favorite piece
SPEAKER_00:uh thank you I mean that means all that means so much to me uh I really appreciate it it makes me very happy I um yeah the color stuff I just don't you know I went to art school and I dropped out and I remember my color theory professor was like the head of the like graphic design department and and I don't know I felt like we didn't really get along and I just I know I didn't get a good grade in it and so I don't really have any like big words about it or whatever I just kind of know what I like and it is the thing that I do feel you know like I'm generally like I don't know I have a hard time talking about my stuff but like I do feel like that is the thing that um I'm good at, I guess, uh, is like picking the colors and, uh, and, um, yeah, I don't know. It's just like a lot of, not trial and error, I guess, but it's just sort of like, I know it when I see it. The hard part I will say now is like selling other people on it, you know, especially like as I get into doing more like, you know, commission types, commission stuff basically. Cause, um, you know, it's going into somebody's house. I mean, for example, that window in Austin, like, I, they didn't pick the colors with me. They didn't really see it beforehand. I sent them photos, you know, you know how it is like trying to photograph glass. Like it's not really, you know, and I hated them. Like I was like, this door would have to look incredible for me to post about it or put it on my website or something. Yeah. So I love bright colors and which is funny because I don't, you know, I didn't have it always in my life, but I just think it's fun, you know, and I think like that's like kind of, you know, you know, like when I started making stained glass was something that, I don't know, I feel like I didn't see much of, you know, at least kind of like more primary or something, bright colors or something like that realm. And yeah, that particular window, is like probably the one i'm most proud of and uh that i do love the most i was gonna do this interview with it like it's set up like but my wife is using her office today but um it her office is set up with that right behind it and um yeah and that window right next to it is still like has the same like is the same and uh it was super fun and i was always like this is what i want to do now And when people would write me about, you know, jobs or like wanting me to like, you know, inquiring about putting a window in their house, I would be like, do you have like a favorite corner of your house or like a picture of, you know, like I really was like, oh, this is like, I unlocked something very cool and original and like mind blowing here. And this is going to be my whole thing now, just doing still lives of something like this. pretty uh like someone's favorite view or just what you know like and no one ever um has gone for it yeah but i love it it's like yeah yeah i don't know it was just very fun to like make and try and figure out you know where the lines will go and stuff and there are a couple mistakes in there where i'm like oh i shouldn't have done this you know or like i got like too into the details here but yeah i love it thank you for mentioning that
SPEAKER_02:i love it i love I love it. I love it. I love it. I'm with you. I wish more people like saw, that's what you need to send them that. I think that maybe then they'll get it. But the fact that it's like right next to the original and the original still kind of looks like that, like, oh, it's so cool.
SPEAKER_00:Or they don't know like what that view is for them. It's like, I don't want to like, feels like braggadocious to be like, oh, it's too conceptual for people or something. But, you know, I don't know. It might be a little too kind of, hard to understand, you know? I mean, cause like I often will make like drawings for people, like part of my pro like my process is like, Oh, if you want me to commission something, I get a deposit. I make you like eight to 10 drawings. And then we go from there and like, you know, It's like I don't go to someone's house and have them be like, oh, I love this part of my house or whatever, you know. Yeah. Because you do
SPEAKER_02:see the beauty in these moments, I think. And again, I have other examples, but this one specifically, I think maybe you might need to be the person who finds it.
SPEAKER_01:You need to go there
SPEAKER_02:and find it for them. Also, I wrote down the word raggedocious because that's a great
SPEAKER_00:word.
SPEAKER_02:These are some ragged-ocious concepts.
SPEAKER_00:I watched The Spelling Bee the other day, so I'm trying out my vocabulary.
SPEAKER_02:You did? I was just reading about that this morning, the scripts. Spelling Bee and how the kid who won, what was the word? It was something file.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. I can't remember. I watched an earlier round. It was very fun.
SPEAKER_02:Very fun. You mentioned you went to art school and then you didn't finish, but which art school did you go to?
SPEAKER_00:I went to the College of Design, Architecture, Art, and Planning at the University of Cincinnati.
SPEAKER_02:Where did you learn how to do stained glass?
SPEAKER_00:In Cincinnati. After I dropped out there, there was... Yeah, this woman, I knew her name was Jane Stewart. She worked at the studio, and it was, I don't know, it felt like the suburbs then, but I guess it was part of the city, but... she worked at this place and they needed, they had like got some job removing all these old windows from this like old church or something downtown. That was a part of like a, I can't remember. It was like a foster home or something. Anyways, there was like a, it's pretty wild to me that they hired me to do this. Cause I didn't know what I was doing, but basically I removed all these old windows from like a church that had been sort of turned into a gym. And, there was a dome too and they let me hire a friend of mine. We were maybe 25 and there was three, four stories of scaffolding that we climbed up. I didn't really know what I was doing and I just took all these windows out for them and would take them back to the shop where they were repairing them all. Then when they were done, I think I put them back in. Uh, but I had like house painting experience, I guess. Like, I don't know, you know, like, so like glazing windows and, uh, then, yeah. And then I just sort of stuck around being like the person that like mudded the windows and would clean them and then go install them. And, uh, these two women three sorry three women uh would design all the stuff and build it and um and then and there was like a guy that owned who was like a drunk Richard who he like sort of ran it, but he'd never built anything. And yeah. And it was like, I did that for maybe, I don't know, a year and a half or two years or something. And like eventually like, you know, they showed me how to like make stained glass and I would do, there was like a job for like a religious supply catalog where like every, like maybe once a year they would need like 10 sets of like these small, super simple windows for like a, I can't remember like the tabernacle, you know, and, and yeah, so that's how I learned to do it. And then like, I don't even know why, but I got fired. And I can't remember why, you know, if it was a cool story, I would definitely tell it, but I was probably just like, you know, I was like 26 and I was like, you know, got fired and then i was sort of like i don't know or you know this is cool like i know how to do this but uh you know who knows if i'll ever do it again yeah and then i you know whatever like fast forward to 2010 maybe uh This woman here that started the Echo Park Craft Fair, Beatriz Valenzuela, she was a friend. And they had a door, her and her husband. I went over to their house, and they had found this cool door. And it had a small, maybe 10 by 10 window in it that just had a piece of plywood. And she was like, yeah, I think we're going to put some stained glass in there. And I was like, oh, I know how to do that. And the next day, Beatrice and I went to the stained glass supply store that used to be on Colorado here. And literally like a month after I moved into the neighborhood, it like, you know, seven miles away. But it's
SPEAKER_02:still, it's still, let's just do a little plug real quick for Pasadena stained glass supply store owned now by Janelle Fu.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Really cool. I didn't know that she owned that until like two weeks ago when I went in there. Yeah. Pasadena stained glass supply store. Yeah, so Beatrice and I went there and bought the stuff we needed for her window. And I was like, man, I hope I can do this still. And yeah, and I made her this little window. It's still on her front door. And then... started making stuff for the Echo Park craft fair. I did want to say, because I remembered it, I was thinking about this, you know, talking to you. And so I did some of the windows, I did work on other stuff too. And it's very like, you know, I forgot all about it until like, I saw somebody post about it maybe a couple years ago. And I was like, oh shit, I forgot. I worked on some of those windows and I definitely installed a lot of them. There's a house in Cincinnati that's called like, it's like, you know, like Atlas Obscura that thing it's like has a chapter on it or like a little post on it or whatever it's called the mushroom house and this guy who was a professor at the school the art school that i went to terry brown designed and built this house to look like mushrooms and he designed these like i don't love them just to be honest but like they they're at the time we're like you know for me at least, and what we kind of did at that studio, they were like modern stained glass windows. I can send you a link to it later. But a very cool windows that people still talk about today, or I'll see them randomly pop up or whatever. And I had totally forgotten about it until a couple of years ago, and somebody posted about it. And I was like, oh, shit. I helped build some of those windows. That was the coolest thing we did there. Otherwise, it was kind of a lot of, you know, like, I don't know, not just sort of like traditional kind of stained glass.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm. When I think of a house, I haven't seen the link. I haven't seen the photos of this place in Cincinnati, but in my mind, I think it's a lot of like organic shapes, which is not at all your style. Was it, is it very like. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Uh, it's like kind of like, you know, it really reminds me of like sort of modern church thing last now, kind of like, it's like kind of like these like big swooshes of color coming through and stuff. And, uh, and like they're round, they were mostly round or like half. Oh, I guess there were some sort of organic shapes to the windows too. Whatever building of them I did, I just built them. I'm pretty sure he designed them. He died maybe a couple years ago, I think. I had a job where I worked for the the dean of that school and that architecture school there. It's like one of the top architecture schools in the country. And at the time, Peter Eisenman, this architect, was building a new building there at that school. And it was like the first building in the history of the world that couldn't be drawn by hand and could only be drawn by a computer. This is like 1990, 1991. part of my job for some insane reason was they would send me to go to the airport and like pick him up in the Dean's car. And I would like drive the Dean's BMW to the Cincinnati airport or to the Northern Kentucky. And I would like pick up this guy, this world renowned architect, Peter Eisenman, and like drive him back to the school. And we would like chat about stuff. And, uh, the very first time I went to New York city, he would, he found out I was going and was like you gotta stop by my studio and I did with like a group of my friends and like it's something I really think about a lot you know like he was kind of like a I mean I don't know really know much about architecture but I just know remember him showing us like design inspiration he had for a Disney hotel that was all underground and Europe Disney and was going to be lit by shafts of light. Even though I didn't graduate from there, I had a lot of great formative experiences there.
SPEAKER_01:I
SPEAKER_00:was just like a fuck up, you know, like, or I just, I didn't know what I was doing or what I wanted to do really. And I was, I was interested in architecture and a lot of my friends were in that program and they would build these, you know, very like fun to scale models of stuff. And then like, I was like, you know, I'm worried about being like a, you know, like having something to make money. And so like, then I was like, Oh, maybe I'll be a teacher. And I started taking like art education classes. And then I just was like, and then like two and a half, three years. And I just realized, I was like, this is a waste of my money. And like, I'm also just down to like, hang out more than like go to school. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Although, I mean, I'm grateful because it was very cheap compared to like what kids have to pay now, you know? So like I, you know, it wasn't, you know, I didn't like waste a lot of money. So
SPEAKER_02:that's good. That's really good. You mentioned you had a previous job as a painter. What other previous jobs did you have before you were tour manager slash stained glass artist?
SPEAKER_00:I was a carpenter, sort of. I mean, all these terms should be like the grain of salt. I worked with some carpenters in Cincinnati. Well, I guess I did that when I moved to Olympia for a year. I worked with this very eccentric French-Canadian carpenter. hungarian jewish carpenter that like was building we built like a giant garage for some people in the middle of the woods and uh south of olympia he had already built their house and the garage ended up almost being bigger than the house and we did i did that for like a year we built it from like the ground up like we did everything we poured the foundation and put built the walls and put the roof on it and the windows in it and did uh yeah like we did basically everything um And then I moved back to Cincinnati and I worked for some carpenters there. And then basically then I got the job and then I started going on tour.
SPEAKER_02:What was the first band you went on tour with?
SPEAKER_00:La Tigra. Do you know that band? Yeah, basically all the first bands I went on tour with are all right now, to be honest. Also, for the first time in 20 years, on tour again. Yeah, La Tigra was the first, and then I worked with Jay Maskis from Dinosaur Jr. I was his guitar tech for a year, even though I didn't know how to to play guitar I don't know how to play guitar and I didn't know anything about guitars he hired me to be his guitar tech and then I went to and then the Moldy Peaches then Interpol Broken Social Scene I don't know it's hard to remember that but from then like for like 10 years I worked for this guy Girl Talk this like mashup DJ yeah
SPEAKER_02:I've seen Girl Talk a couple of times.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I was probably definitely there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. That's fun. Where was it?
SPEAKER_02:I saw him once in San Francisco at a festival of sorts. It was.
SPEAKER_00:Was it on the island? Treasure Island?
SPEAKER_02:No, it was like in the middle of like that big park. That's, like, in
SPEAKER_00:San Francisco. Oh, Outside Man's Festival?
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that would have been, like, the first year of
SPEAKER_02:that festival, yeah. And then I saw him at Coachella.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. always fun.
SPEAKER_02:Always fun. Well, I don't know. Is it still?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. No, I mean, well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, like it was, no, it wasn't, it was never fun to be honest. Uh, um, But yeah, I remember both of those vividly. Or I mean Coachella, we did a few, a couple of times, two or three times, I guess. But yeah, man, I mean, I, I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I love going on tour, uh, sort of, you know, I mean, I, I mean, it's hard for me to quit, but also like, I found like a good group now where I'm only going for like, uh, uh, I don't like to do something. I don't like, you know, like it used to be like I would be away from home for like six to eight months of the year. And now it's like maybe tops two and a half months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have like no interest in doing it the other way anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Yeah. Well, yeah. Fatherhood will change things a little bit. Have your family, has your family ever gone with you?
SPEAKER_00:No, no, that's like, I mean, like I don't even invite friends anymore. Like I don't even tell people when I'm like in town because, you know, you just don't have the time to like see people. And it's almost more stressful to like have people there and they're sort of waiting to like say hi to you. And you like know in the back of your mind that like someone's like, you know, it's just like, I'll give people tickets if they want to come to the show, but I don't really promise them or like, I don't, you know, like I'll just you know like often won't see them so I can't imagine like having uh I mean like you know like this year like maybe they'll meet me at the end we're finishing I'm like uh like that Olympic Peninsula you know like across the sound from Seattle and like uh you know we were talking about maybe like they would meet us up there meet me up there and like at the very last date you know and then we would drive home or something um but Yeah, no way.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:that makes sense. They came when I was at the Greek Theater last year to drop something off for 15 minutes. And it was pretty hectic last year because of COVID protocols and stuff. But it was very stressful just to have a two-and-a-half-year-old running around there and trying to pretend like I was still working.
SPEAKER_02:And now you're mostly on tour with the Fleet Foxes?
SPEAKER_00:yeah then I mean this I'm going to go into earth like yeah so then this year and like all like you know whatever you know I did last year was with them like maybe three months of work and this year it's like maybe two months and then I also I'm going to do like like two weeks of pavement in September
SPEAKER_02:cool right on
SPEAKER_00:yeah It's like one of my favorite bands, so that'll be fun.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I bet that makes it better. That sweetens it up a little bit.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I will say that like you, um, learn to love what you're doing, you know, or like, well, like, I mean, like I, you know, I remember like specifically, I remember like I did a job with bone Sebastian and like 2005 and I was like, I don't like this band. Um, and they were like, uh, um, And by, and now, and then they became like one of my favorite band, you know, like ever, like I was, it was just like, I was like, oh man, this song's great. Oh, this song's great. Oh, you know, and then, and also they're such great people, you know, it's just, so that's been my experience where even if it's stuff I don't think I like by the end of it, I'm a big fan of it. So.
SPEAKER_02:That's awesome. Yeah. If you could only do one moving forward, if you had to choose between being a tour manager or being a stained glass artist, cause they're so different. And I feel like you probably get like a really nice, like home body versus, you know, antsy got to get out of here feeling you scratch a lot of itches with both of those jobs. If you could only do one moving forward and don't base this answer on like the your son, but for you personally, which one would you choose moving forward? I
SPEAKER_00:don't know, man. I mean, it's like funny. Cause I just think that that's like, that's like the eternal question that I ask myself all the time and I don't have an answer for it. And so far the best I've come up with is doing the touring this little bit and then do the stained glass around it. And it's like what I'm trying to like figure out basically with my life is like, do I have to go on tour? Sometimes I'm like sitting here and I'm like, you know, I've been to like, You know, I'm like, oh, where's that plane going? It's, am I going to go to Japan again? You know, if I don't, you know, where I don't have to pay for it, you know, or like where, like it's for work, you know, or like gotten to go to like lots of cool, weird, crazy places I never thought I would go to. because of that job you know and so sometimes like when someone calls and they're like oh hey we're gonna go you know or like are you available to go to like let's do this tour of like australia korea and hong kong you know it's hard to be like no you know um But the flip side is, I know that if I didn't do that, I could probably dedicate my life more to being a stained glass artist. getting better at it there's like other people you've talked to uh someone like sarah strickler um i don't know the woman's name that does like the kirby kirby stuff you know who like i really admire their like practice of this process you know because I don't do it in a way where it's like, although I'm trying to, and I have recently, but like, I don't do it as like, um, a practice, you know, I was talking to my therapist the other day or, uh, I don't know, maybe it was my coach. I had like a life coach for a year, which was like a very like great experience. And all of a sudden I was like, Oh, you know what? For all these people, I do like, eight drawings they pick one and I was like I just want to start making these drawings you know like I just was like sort of like oh like I don't have like stuff sitting around here I'm not making stuff just to make stuff I wrote Sarah the other day because like my wife is like really into like her stuff and I was like, hey, you say you have all these things sitting around. Are they for sale? And she was like, no, they're not. And I was kind of like, all right. She was like, maybe I should sell them because, you know, I don't know what I'm doing with them. And I just think that's very cool and like something I strive for because I... have nothing sitting around the only time I make something is when someone hires me to do it and I'm trying to get into this thing where I did make something recently that was like an idea I had for like somebody else and I just made like a small version of it where I was like okay this is like what will be my practice or this is what I'm going to start trying to do is like they're like I would say it also in my experience that drawings are the ideas that people pick are not the ones that interest me you know and So I'm like, I actually have all these ideas that I think are way cooler. you know and I'm like kind of like for a long time you know now it's a little bit more equitable as I like get busier but I was like the primary caregiver for my kid and I know you said not to count him or think about him and this but it's hard not to you know yeah because I love being a dad and I um you know really value like the time that I was like afforded to spend with him because of like the circumstances around when he was born and I uh I mean I don't know that's like I mean that was partially why I got a coach yeah like and it was like kind of like it wasn't mid pandemic but it was like coming out of it and I was sort of like I don't know if I want to go on tour I don't know what I want to do when the pandemic started I It's like high on possibility in a weird way, you know, where I was just sort of like, oh shit, this thing I did for 20 years is not sustainable anymore. And now I also have a kid and I love therapy and I love my therapist. And I was like, I know this probably sounds so annoying to you because it's annoying to me when people are like, tour manager, that sounds like a fun job. I'd be interested, or I could do that or something, you know? And I'm just like, oh, it sucks. It's really hard. And I was like, I know this has to be so annoying to you, but like therapist, that seems so great. I would love to be a therapist. And, you know, like I just had like, you know, then I was like, you know, Sid had just been born. I was like, so into like that whole thing, you know, like obviously I'm not a woman. So I have like different experience being in that room, you know, when my wife gave birth and how, you I mean like great it felt as far as like all women just such a nice like very loving supportive vibe I was like god I'd love to be like a maternity ward there you know and I was like there's no way you know like a woman's gonna want some like six foot five like dude being like, you know, the nurse for her like baby delivery, you know? But yeah, so I don't know. Like I just, it's like, and this was the reason I dropped out of college too. You know, I just was like, I was like, I've sort of just never really been able to like focus on anything you know like i started doing the glass in the middle of touring i mean like really so grateful for beatrice and that like cole i mean i was very lucky and that like she asked and then she had the way you know like she then she had this thing going on too it's like echo park craft fair which is like very at that point it was like you know whatever like 15 people in her backyard making stuff and trading it basically you know and so like I just sort of have this instant like place to like kind of like you know have it be like something to do you know do for a living or whatever in quotes and but I remember being like oh like being on tour being a tour manager is very rewarding but you're definitely like you're enabling in other people's creativity, you know? And it's like, um, and I, but like, it took a long time, but eventually I was like, oh, I, um, I like, I, I mean, I don't even know if I'm aware of it. I was, but when, when, when, you know, she gave me the opportunity to make that window for her, I realized that like my creativity, what had been like stifled for like a decade, you know, or something. And it's still like very hard for me. And like, that's just what I'm talking about with like, you know, like there's someone like Sarah Strickler who has a job. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I think it's actually really great. I think it's a positive that you really had to think that through and you still don't have an answer. I think that I'm happy that that is your response because to me, it just means to you, you could be more focused on the indecisiveness of it all. But to me, it just means that you have gratitude and appreciation for what all of those things bring into your life. They still hold value. It's not an easy choice. And I think sometimes when it is a really easy choice for people, then they corner themselves into whatever it is that they chose. And for lack of, you know, maybe it's not your ideal answer, but I think it's a positive.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean, it's the truth, you know, too. It's just like, I mean, like I did a lot of work with that coach as far as like, I mean, it was very easy. He was such a nice guy and we're like definitely friends now, but like, so it feels fun. need to call it work but like I did a lot of work with him you know and there's also like shit from high school even still you know like I went to college as an art history major because like my high school art teacher who like I took like every art class you know and like there were two or three women teaching in that like in the art department of my high school you know was like I don't think you should go to art school to major in fine arts. It's so fucking crazy to me now to think about someone saying that to a kid. And I listened to her, you know? And I was like, you know, she was like, you love art history. Why don't you like have that be your focus and blah, blah, you know? And like, you know, that was like kind of like one of my first mistakes. And it's like, definitely like, I think about that woman, like, pretty regularly you know and yeah sort of fucking hate her so yeah like it's all kind of like a struggle for me uh it has gotten better and i have gotten like more confident in it
SPEAKER_02:and actually at the beginning of the pandemic you posted it was february 14th 2021 um well you didn't post that i suppose at the beginning of the pandemic but you posted about the pandemic you said y'all it's hard at the start of the pandemic i was fully high on new fatherhood my career being forced on hold, maybe totally switching fields. The baby slept so much, I had plenty of time to make a couple windows for our house and explore some ideas. It was scary not knowing when I might go back on tour, but because I am fortunate to have a partner that didn't lose her job, it felt sort of like a dream. Then Sid started taking fewer naps. The monotony of not leaving home sunk in. Home and yard repairs took up more time. The dread of the future of my career taking bands on tour and that of so many friends took hold and is still growing. My point is, things are a mess over here. Generally fun and good vibes, thanks to the support of my partner, but messy. The house usually gets cleaned up at night, but the studio, my garage, has layers of projects half-finished, abandoned, or in the idea phase. Plus, when it rains, all of Sid's outdoor things get thrown in there. And on the weekend, when there's more time, I'd rather spend it as a family than clean it up. So when, and this is actually a post about this company's secret catalog, which by the way i don't think it's still around i tried to like look for them online and i don't think their website is taken down but anyway so when secret catalog called and asked me to make some things for them it was an exciting moment thank you if you don't know about it please check out their site especially now when we still can't spend much time away from home it's a fun way to anticipate your usps delivery um so and this is i'm getting now to like why i wanted to talk about this post you said so i took photos of the pieces i made for them in the zones where i spend most of my days there's the messiest Then all the zones I hang with Sid during the day. Outdoor, cozy coop parking, outdoor garden area, indoor kitchen zone. I know days are hard for everyone to one degree or another. Hang in there. Forgot about ball pit zone. So the reason I bring up this post is then you have a carousel of different product shots that you did for this company secret catalog. The photos you took in your own home are another example of how you took something that is somewhat ordinary and you made it extraordinary. These photos are an extension of what we spoke about earlier in terms of seeing a really magic little nook or combining ordinary household items. And this looks like a high fashion little shoot you did using child's playroom props, etc. I'm just really impressed with that. You took something that we look past all the time and you made it into a beautiful, beautiful way of photographing your work.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, thank you. I mean, those are probably the best photographs I've ever taken of anything that I've made. Like, it's like, it's hard. I mean, like, I don't know, it's hard to shoot stained glass and have it look good, I think. And like that, I I mean, I gotta give credit to my friend, Julia Johnson, who, is a like pro photographer um works a lot and i she came over she was like suggested putting things in a setting that was like not where they would usually be and it was she was so right it was it's like those are um that was like fun to like find those i feel like they look good i'm not worried about like what you know whether there's enough light really or what Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And I saw that I was like, fuck, yeah, that looks so rad. And that is not you didn't hire a well, you did have your friend, but it looks very professional. And it's not it's not, you know, there's no studio, there's no special rigs, there's no, you know, you didn't bring in lighting and all that. And so I don't know, I just wanted to remind everybody that like, just try to try to look around with some fresh eyes and, and look at his photos. Look at this post that I'm talking about too. It's, it's a, it's really impressive. You're really impressive.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you. And like also shout out to the people that did that secret catalog thing. Cause that was cool. Yeah. And that was like, and I was great, very grateful for it at that time. And you reading that really reminded me like that was like a hard time because I still was not working. And most of the people I knew weren't working. as far as touring stuff goes. And meanwhile, I'd say literally everybody I know here is a creative person. And people like that just kind of got to keep living their lives during the pandemic. And like sorry if like any of my friends are listening to this but like a lot of like my friends you know like i don't like there it just felt like i felt like i was writing that post very personally and kind of like to i don't know i mean like not specific people but just like being like hey this sucks
SPEAKER_01:for me,
SPEAKER_00:you know, and people that do what I do in this business. And it's like, you know, yeah, like there's many times and I will still talk about like how I'm like, again, I'm super lucky. My wife has the job that she has and is like very supportive person. But like there were times where it just was like very dark.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:and if you had a job that you like maybe or if you were like you know like a lot of people i know you know it's like they were the breadwinners they go on tour they do sound they do lights they do you know and like they're they have a kid or two and they're like the people that primarily like make the money for their family and like we just never knew when we were going to go back to work and uh it was yeah Yeah. I don't know. I'm really glad you read that because, uh, I mean I just I don't know like I'm like slapping myself on the back but like I appreciate that honesty that like I put out there and I do think it was kind of like telling people like hey when you like come over here or whatever and hang out in our backyard or something or like it's like you know I feel like fucked up a lot like and I'm not working and like I'm taking care of my kid and that's great but is that like valued in our society and like what is does that count you know
SPEAKER_01:yeah
SPEAKER_00:and you know in my life garage which is a mess right and like i don't have time to like just make stained glass windows all the time or whatever you know so yeah man glad that time's passed yeah
SPEAKER_02:And you know what, David, at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, you're not going to look back and be like, man, I really, I should have kept my garage more clean.
SPEAKER_00:It is funny because I would often like, you know, my, like one of that was like, that's like one of the questions that I don't know about every coaching session, but at least with the person I worked with, be like, well, what do you want to work on for next week? And I'd always be like, oh, I want to like clean the studio out and like get it. So like I can get it to a place where, You know, and that just never happens.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's okay. It's okay. Okay. Yeah. So I actually want to move into our final three questions. who is your favorite stained glass artist
SPEAKER_00:you know for like a longest time I was like actively like not paying attention to people you know so like yeah because I um I don't know I just was like so worried about like you know being inspired by someone or copying them or like it was like that was again like part like with this like coach and like my therapy practice and like you know hearing this like art school teacher in my head always questioning like what whether I am an artist, you know, whether I can do this, you know, like whether this is original or something. And so, and like, to be honest, like jealousy, you know, or something like, you know, I see a lot of people's work and I'm like, Oh, why didn't I think of that? Or like, that's like so great, you know? And so I feel like I don't have much of a, like, don't know you know like i do like sarah's work i do love it's so fun and like um it's like i don't know like there's something like about her lines which are the like opposite of mine you know and which i'm like sort of trying to like do more of i mean like i just love I do have a photo I took of like a pool in Austria that I was in on a day off one time where like the bottom of it was just painted like in a grid. And so then like with the water on top, like it was like all those lines. And I was like, oh man, this would be like an incredible, like to do like just a grid, but have it be like not straight lines. And Sarah does that like very well. And then I saw recently that she did one like that. And I love that, you know, I don't even know how you draw that. or like, like, you know, really like, just like, it's like, just like perfect imperfection. And then there's a dude, the Ben's website guy who I just love. It's like colors. Yeah. And his stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Did you hear his episode?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, I haven't. I mean, I don't listen to it yet. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Like probably those two, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Those are great choices. And, you know, I don't know if you listened to Sarah's episode, but she named you. I
SPEAKER_00:mean, I saw it on the website and I felt very embarrassed. I mean, humble and like excited. And like, I mean, I told, I'm getting very corny here, but I just am such an advocate for like coaching and therapy. But I told, you know, like, I mean, like both of my coach and my therapist were like, so happy when I like told them that, that, that, um, I was like, you're not going to believe this. And they were like, they were like, wow, that's like so big for you. And it's true. It was so, you know, and that's like, it felt special because I didn't, you know, I'm not, that's how I feel about Sarah's work too. Oh
SPEAKER_02:my gosh. You guys have this mutual admiration. That's just so sweet.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's very, I mean, and I, I met her once when I did like a craft fair in San Francisco. And, and yeah, I just, like I said, I just remember like seeing that fruit window of hers, like come together piece by piece. And that's also, yeah. So much to love about her stuff. I
SPEAKER_02:love her episode. I love her collaborations that she's doing with AI. I love, I
SPEAKER_01:love, I just think
SPEAKER_02:she's just, yeah, I think she's great. She's, she's a lot of fun and you're right. Like she's, her practice is admirable. I think we all need a little bit more of a Sarah Strickler vibe. Yeah. The second question is who is your favorite artist outside of stained glass?
SPEAKER_00:I mean, I think it has to be Tauba. I don't know if you're familiar with her work. It's very beautiful, but science-based. I don't know. Again, she's someone I really admire with her process. And I'm fortunate enough to be friends with her. and I showed her in the pandemic over zoom, like how to make stained glass. Um, she has, as far as I know, she hasn't done it yet, but like she has used glass recently in her work. Um, and, uh, yeah, I just love the sort of like, there's like a meticulousness to her work. She, um, You know, like she did these paintings called the fold paintings where she had like stacks of canvases folded up. And then when she would go to paint them, she would unfold them and then basically like paint the folds on them and stretch them. And so then I'm doing a horrible job describing this, but like they're very, they look three-dimensional, but they're 2D. Oh, they're
SPEAKER_02:so pretty. You know what it looks like? I'm looking at it right now. I just Googled it. It looks like a sheet that's been folded and crumpled and then smoothed back out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, those are really pretty, you know, and yeah. And I mean, look how beautiful those colors are. That's like a dream to like be able to like do something like that and stained glass.
SPEAKER_01:Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Her most recent paintings are, they're like paintings of like, you know, like a close-up of like a soap bubble or like cells on their microscope slide or something. And if you zoom in on it, it's like sort of like pointillism.
SPEAKER_01:Whoa.
SPEAKER_00:And there's just a detail there that I wish could sort of be, you know, it is like a frustration of mine, but stained glass that's like, you know, you just kind of can't get that granular with it. you know?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, like just cause of like the lead and stuff, you know, like it's like hard, you know, like, you know, I, sometimes I'm like, Oh, I wish I could get that. I feel like I go the opposite way where I'm like, all right, I can't get this tiny and small and super detailed. So I'm just going to like go with like lately, at least like go way bigger, you know, and have it just be like bigger, bolder colors. And, and, you know, and then like, yeah, like, I mean, I, I mean, I have been thinking about like taking a class at bullseye or, you know, somewhere with like getting like some kiln work or something you know like painting on glass and maybe like something like you know
SPEAKER_02:I would love to see what you could create with that I totally could see you getting into like fused glass and doing some really cool fun stuff
SPEAKER_00:yeah Taba's work is just like a big inspiration to me and like how her practice has changed like if you look at her older work it's like she was like trained to be a sign painter in San Francisco and like her early work is like very grand And now it's, and not to say that that, I mean, wasn't fine art or what, you know, but like, it's just like different. And it's like, so, you know, it's, so painterly now, even though I don't know, like if I think of her as a painter, you know, she does many things
SPEAKER_02:evolving. Yeah. Very cool. Thank you for showing me her work. Um, and again, obviously we've, you'll be able to see it too. If you're listening, there'll be a link in the show notes. And then the last question is kind of a hard one. It's what are your three to five year goals? I'm sorry. Three to five. I don't know why I said that. I just pulled that out of nowhere. It's actually five to 10.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Um, I don't know. Like I feel like like, you know, again, like what I would tell my coach or what I talked to him about would be like, turn this thing into like more of a practice, you know, and have there be like a element of making stained glass that is like, not entirely about generating income, you know? Yeah. I don't know. It's so multifaceted. I've never, now I do think about it. I think having a kid changes that for you, you know, like feel inspired to like have a good practice. because I want to be like an inspiration to my kid you know and I want to like show him by example how to be dedicated to something and like you know practice it and like work at it so I just hope yeah like in like five years or so like my practice as like a stained glass person is becoming more honed also you know just as a person in general and like as a actually as a dad Yeah, like I hope I'm just having a good balance in my life where like maybe I am at home more and I feel happy with like, you know, the amount of glass work I'm doing. Not kind of constantly worrying about it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, totally. I think you're an amazing dad and I think you're an amazing stained glass artist and I'd put my money on. You're an amazing tour manager, probably a pretty excellent husband as well and friend And I guess I just want to end by saying, just keep on keeping on.
SPEAKER_00:Great. Well, thank you so much. Yeah. I mean, that's very inspiring to hear that, you know, like makes me want to do all those things and be better. And I know we don't know each other, but yeah, like live up to that. And thank you for saying so. And thank you for having me on here. I really enjoyed it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, me too. Well, have a wonderful and productive day in your studio today and I'll be in touch really soon.
SPEAKER_00:Great. Thank you very much. Thanks for having
SPEAKER_02:me. To see more of David's work, his Instagram is at David Scheid Stained Glass. That's D-A-V-I-D S-H-E-I-D Stained Glass and mine is at Runa Glassworks. For the Cracked Patreon page members, David has made us a studio playlist made up of all the artists he has tour managed for. The link to that is always at the bottom of the show notes next week on cracked i'll be speaking with ellen van dyke of glass atelier ellen we'll be talking all about her teaching experience and she's also got some glass hacks that are specific to you glass painters till then bye